Seaforth

TfNSW has received planning approval for the B-Line program between Brookvale and Seaforth, which features a series of road improvement work to improve bus travel time and reliability between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD.

A total of 377 submissions were received throughout the public display of the proposal in November and December 2016.

A large number of submissions related to potential changes to Heaton Avenue and the construction of a new bus indent at the nearby bus stop.

The approved proposal includes:

  • The closure of the left turn into Heaton Avenue only, so that the left turn out of Heaton Avenue into Manly Road remains open
  • Relocating the new indented bus bay slightly north along the southbound carriageway of Manly Road (as compared to the Proposal in the REF).

A Submissions Report has been produced to provide further details about the proposal and responses to feedback.

TfNSW has received planning approval for the B-Line program between Brookvale and Seaforth, which features a series of road improvement work to improve bus travel time and reliability between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD.

A total of 377 submissions were received throughout the public display of the proposal in November and December 2016.

A large number of submissions related to potential changes to Heaton Avenue and the construction of a new bus indent at the nearby bus stop.

The approved proposal includes:

  • The closure of the left turn into Heaton Avenue only, so that the left turn out of Heaton Avenue into Manly Road remains open
  • Relocating the new indented bus bay slightly north along the southbound carriageway of Manly Road (as compared to the Proposal in the REF).

A Submissions Report has been produced to provide further details about the proposal and responses to feedback.

Questions asked here may be published with the answer at the project team's discretion and in accordance with the privacy policy. If you wish to ask a question privately, please contact us

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  • Without a bus stop at Seaforth for the B Line, will my commute time between Seaforth and the City improve?

    Wayne asked 3 months ago

    Thanks for your question. 

    A finalised service plan detailing all routes and service times will be released later this year.

    Adjustments that have been announced to date are published on our service plan page or located in the Transport for NSW Northern Beaches Bus Network booklet, available here.

    Please continue to check our website for updates.

    Thanks for your question!

    ~ Jacqui


  • Will city buses still go through Balgowlah shops

    Local asked 22 days ago

    Hi there

    You can find information about bus routes relating to Balgowlah through the new Northern Beaches Bus Network map.

    Thanks for your question!

    ~ Jacqui



  • (1) what will happen to the pedestrian crossing from Seaforth to Balgowlah at the intersection on Sydney rd. currently this is hard if you have very young or older people who are slower. This could be split into two crossings. What's the plan? (2) what's the plan for Seaforth bus services as don't get bline. This year there has been more people using the buses, assuming from population growth but by the time they reach Seaforth you can be waiting 2-3 buses to get a bus (seats thing of past). How will this be addressed as we do not get any benefit of the bline currently, and that's prior to hospital opening .

    DE asked 4 months ago

    Hi DE

    Thanks for your question.

    There are no plans to change the crossing at this location, aside from a slight realignment of the crossing to allow for the new left turn from Sydney Rd to Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation. The existing crossing can already be crossed in two stages as there is a landing in the median for pedestrians to wait if they cannot make the crossing in one go.

    Customers from Seaforth will benefit from additional services to route E68 and E69. For further information please refer to Seaforth and North Balgowlah section of the new bus services plan.

    ~ Jacqui

  • With proposed Heaton Ave closures or other proposals on review are there plans to change or close down the T3 lane that runs from Sydney Rd onto Manly Road and up to Spit Junction?

    Rachel asked 10 months ago

    Hi,

    Thanks for your questions about bus lane usage in Seaforth.

    Consistent with NSW and Australian road rules, bicycles, taxis, motorcycles and hire cars are currently allowed to use the T3 transit lane in addition to buses.

    The T3 lane has been established through this area in order to encourage car pooling during peak periods as a means of reducing the number of vehicles on the road, also allowing overall passenger transport capacity to be maintained.

    The RMS guidelines relating to bus lanes can be found here and are included below:

    Bus lane

    Bus lanes are sign-posted or marked as bus lanes. They are provided primarily for buses, but can also be used by:

    • Taxis.
    • Hire cars (but not rental cars).
    • Motorcycles and bicycles.
    • Emergency vehicles.
    • Special purpose vehicles and vehicles also operated by or under the direction of Roads and Maritime Services.

    General traffic is also permitted to travel in a bus lane for up to 100 metres to:

    • Turn left or right into or out of a street.
    • Enter or leave a property adjacent to the bus lane.
    • Pass another vehicle that has stopped to turn right or to avoid an obstruction.

    Questions similar to yours were raised through the consultation process associated with the Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Review of Environmental Factors and responded to in the subsequent Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Submissions Report - April 2017. You may wish to consult these documents to for further information.

    A review of bus lanes across the corridor is currently being undertaken. It is recognised that express buses are only as fast as the bike or all-stop bus travelling in front of it, and changes to lane prioritisation are being considered. Any changes would require formal approval and further consultation.


    ~ Jacqui

  • Will the B-line introduce any changes to the use of bus lanes by multi passenger vehicles, motor cycles or bicycles?

    Gary asked 4 months ago

    Hi Gary

    Thanks for your questions about bus lane usage in Seaforth.

    Consistent with NSW and Australian road rules, bicycles, taxis, motorcycles and hire cars are currently allowed to use the T3 transit lane in addition to buses.

    The T3 lane has been established through this area in order to encourage car pooling during peak periods as a means of reducing the number of vehicles on the road, also allowing overall passenger transport capacity to be maintained.

    The RMS guidelines relating to bus lanes can be found here and are included below:

    Bus lane

    Bus lanes are sign-posted or marked as bus lanes. They are provided primarily for buses, but can also be used by:

    • Taxis.
    • Hire cars (but not rental cars).
    • Motorcycles and bicycles.
    • Emergency vehicles.
    • Special purpose vehicles and vehicles also operated by or under the direction of Roads and Maritime Services.

    General traffic is also permitted to travel in a bus lane for up to 100 metres to:

    • Turn left or right into or out of a street.
    • Enter or leave a property adjacent to the bus lane.
    • Pass another vehicle that has stopped to turn right or to avoid an obstruction.

    Questions similar to this were issue raised through the consultation process associated with the Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Review of Environmental Factors and responded to in the subsequent Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Submissions Report - April 2017. You may wish to consult these documents to for further information.

    A review of bus lanes across the corridor is currently being undertaken. It is recognised that express buses are only as fast as the bike or all-stop bus travelling in front of it, and changes to lane prioritisation are being considered. Any changes would require formal approval and further consultation.


    ~ Jacqui

  • I really think you need to include this bus service going down wakehurst parkway to include Frenchs Forest with the new hospital as well as west Seaforth. Is this being considered?

    Mike asked 7 months ago

    Hi Mike,

    The B-Line service is part of a wider Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan proposed to coincide with the start of the B-Line service late 2017. The plan provdes better public transport connection for customers and overall improvements to the region's network.

    This wider plan will provide access to the new Northern Beaches Hospital when it opens in 2018.

    We will shortly be seeking feedback from the community on the proposed Northern Beaches Service Plan.

    ~Melanie


  • I would like to add my support to the many others who are strongly against the proposal to close Heaton Avenue. Blocking access from Heaton Avenue to Manly Road will force city-bound residents from Seaforth onto the already overloaded stretch of Sydney Road (carrying Wakehurst Parkway traffic) between Seaforth roundabout and the right turn down to the Spit where throughput is restricted in the morning due to traffic signalling at this major intersection. Please construct the new indented bus bay either north or south of Heaton Avenue. Also, contrary to some other comments, my experience is drivers turning left from Heaton Avenue down towards the Spit in the morning do clear out of the T3 lane asap with the exception being when the other lanes are at a standstill and a bus behind in the T3 would be blocked if a driver stands waiting to get into the neighbouring lane. I agree with the proposal to extend the southbound right turn lane from Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation into Sydney Road which currently does sometimes create blockages that affect both drivers heading down to the Spit and those wishing to turn right.

    Tom asked 10 months ago

    Hi Tom,

    Your objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    Further feedback regarding merging traffic from the T3 lane and your support for the extension of southbound right hand turn bay from Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation into Sydney Rd has also been taken into consideration.

    Following the review of all the community's feedback relating to the B-Line proposal at Heaton Avenue, environmental impacts of proposed roadworks at Seaforth have been assessed and the report of findings, called a Review of Environmental Factors (REF), will be on public display from Thursday 24 November 2016 to Thursday 22 December 2016.

    Six different options at Heaton Avenue are assessed within the REF.

    Community information sessions are also being held to further consult with local residents and businesses.

    ~Melanie 


  • TfNSW has records from Opal and other information sources available to it on bus usage from a specific bus stop. In the morning weekday peak period (please define this period when you respond) how many bus customers get on a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue? In the morning weekday peak period (please define this period when you respond) how many bus customers get off a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue? What is the average number of bus customers that get on a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue on a weekday? What is the average number of bus customers that get off a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue on a weekday? What is the average number of bus customers that get on a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue on a weekend day? What is the average number of bus customers that get off a bus at the bus stop on Manly Road just north of Heaton Avenue on a weekend day?

    A BH Resident asked 11 months ago

    Hi BH Resident,

    Around 100 customers catch buses from this bus stop each weekday, including an average of 41 between 7am-9am. During this same morning peak period (7am-9am), 186 buses are scheduled to travel south on Manly Road, while only 66 are scheduled to stop at the stop north of Heaton Avenue (if required). The proposed indent will improve traffic flow for the 120+ AM peak bus services and other buses not stopping at Heaton Avenue bus stop as they will no longer be slowed behind buses picking up/dropping off customers.

    Further information, including a variety of alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue will be on display shortly with community information sessions being planned to discuss options.

    ~ Melanie

  • I strongly agree with the closure of the Heaton Avenue rat-run. I'm a commuter from the northern beaches and every morning, packed buses are held back by the queue of cars looking to sneak into the bus lane. They often stay in the T3/bus lane longer than they should and they cause another hold up as they try to change lanes out of the T3/Bus lane. I understand that this will inconvenience the local residents and others from the Manly peninsular that use this route to bypass the Sydney Road intersection. However, this is the main artery road to the city and the needs of the entire northern beaches needs to be balanced with the needs of Clontarf.

    John McGinley asked 10 months ago

    Hi John,

    Thank you for your comments and support for the B-Line service.

    There are a variety of measures the B-Line project team are considering to improve this section of the main corridor.

    We welcome further consultation with local communities and bus commuters to ensure we are improving services and infrastructure and endeavour to minimise disruption to local areas.

    ~Melanie

  • Why is it not possible to construct a new bus stop off the main road where the existing one is or further down the road the road after Heaton so that the three lanes can be maintained. I think closing Heaton is a very poor idea which will channel more traffic thru The narrow street Ethel Street and to the roundabout as well as Maretimo and the other streets. Northbound traffic from Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights to the Wakehurst Parkway will be severely penalised by more congestion at the roundabout. Travelling to the city will be more difficult for residents of Clontarf and Balgowlah Height at all times.

    Jennifer asked 10 months ago

    Hi Jennfier,

    Thank you for your feedback and concerns regarding traffic congestion.

    A variety of upgrades are being presented as alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue. These will be available for review at upcoming community information sessions.

    The B-Line project team will also be in attendance and can answer questions relating to the Seaforth/Balgowlah area and the B-Line project in general.

    ~Melanie

  • Does the B-line service run 7 days per week all day or only during peak hour M-F? If it's only a peak hour service then I think it's unfair to close Heaton avenue for such a small time service. All the roads surrounding the area are conjested enough without adding more cars to the mix. However, I believe cars coming from Heaton Ave during peak hour are the cause for traffic blockage and not the buses. Maybe Heaton avenue should be a T3 zone during peak hour so they don't stop in the bus lane to try and move into the stopped traffic. It would be a shame to lose this exit on the weekends as the streets are already too busy. From another perspective closing Heaton avenue will push traffic to other places causing more issues and expense to fix other areas. This will impact Ethel street roundabout which is already a problem during peak times and I believe it would have to be changed to traffic lights or a new roundabout as the current one doesn't work with the current traffic flow. The impact will be huge in the surrounding streets all for one bus line...? Where the local residents can't use... not a good solution.

    Scootagirl asked 10 months ago

    Hi Scootagirl,

    Thanks for your comments.

    The B-Line aims to provide more frequent and reliable services, and would generally operate between the hours of approximately 5:30am to 12:30am as follows:

    - Every five minutes in the weekday southbound morning peak and northbound afternoon peak commute periods
    - Every 10 minutes at other times of the day, and on weekends, up to 11pm
    - Every 15 minutes between 11pm and 12:30am every day.

    Currently Manly Rd, where Heaton Avenue exits, is a T3 lane during peak hour. Congestion ensues when local buses are stopped at the bus stop north of Heaton Avenue and whilst traffic is trying to merge out of Heaton, into the T3 lane and into general traffic.

    There have been a variety of alternative options which will form part of the Review of Environmental Factors report on public display shortly.

    The B-Line project will also be hosting several community information sessions to further consult with local residents about the proposed changes.

    ~Melanie

  • I strongly object to the closure of Heaton Avenue, Contraf. There are several concerns that will materially impact the residents and visitors to the area: 1. This action will significantly increase traffic and congestion on Sydney road, and specifically, the southbound exit that is already heavy congested during peak periods and weekends. 2. This action will significantly increase the traffic and congestion across several school areas/zones in Balgowlah Heights and Balgowlha, which will materially increase the risk of accident. 3. This action will materially increase the southbound commute for the Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights and Contarf residents. Regards, Darren

    Darren B asked 10 months ago

    Hi Darren,

    Your objection has been noted, thank you for your comments regarding traffic congestion, pedestrian safety and increased travel time.

    The environmental impact assessment will address these issues as well as presenting alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue.

    This document will be on public display shortly and the B-Line Project team will be hosting community information sessions to discuss the further consult with local residents and businesses.

    ~Melanie


  • I strenuously object to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue at Clontarf. I don't see how an indented bus area will assist traffic flow as buses rarely stop for any length of time in this area and it doesn't impact the non-T3 traffic to any great degree. In any roads around that have indented bus bays I only see that traffic is generally more delayed, and view frustrated drivers, as buses try to negotiate re-entering the traffic flow. I am a T3 legitimate road user and see no issues with buses stopping on Manly Road, however if one of my team is not in the car the Heaton Road access is my easiest access onto Manly Road from my route and my journey would be severely negatively impacted if I had to join Sydney Road traffic. The loop road further down Manly Road could be a better proposition for an indented bus bay? Something that would positively assist the traffic from the Northern Beaches would be to build another bridge crossing Middle Harbour providing an alternative route to the bottle neck that causes delays or alternatively build a train line to assist traffic flow into Sydney. Don't close Heaton Avenue!

    SusieD asked 10 months ago

    Hi Susie,

    Thank you for your feedback, your objection to closing Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    We have received a lot of objection to closing Heaton, and the B-Line Project team have included, as part of the Review of Environmental factors report, a variety of options considered as alternatives.

    When the report goes on display shortly, community information sessions will be held to further consult with local residents and Manly Rd users.

    Information about these sessions will be available shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • As a resident of Balgowlah Heights for over 20 years I have always used Heaton Ave to commute to work and other travel and on the occasion when I have used Maretimo St to turn left onto Sydney Rd I have found a huge queue of cars banked up on Maretimo as traffic on Sydney Rd blocks car entry across the intersection. Given alternative routes to Spit bridge are already heavily congested it seems you are creating impossible traffic nightmares for Clontarf/Balgowlah Heights residents who are being sacrificed for so called traffic 'solutions' further north. I am shocked we have not received any direct notice of this proposal which will severely impact our quality of life.

    Dianne asked 11 months ago

    Hi Dianne,

    Your feedback has been noted.

    Information regarding alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue will be presented shortly when the Review of Environmental Factors (REF) goes on display.

    We understand the need for direct community consultation and discussion, and will be hosting several information sessions where we invite local residents and businesses to attend and make comment on any proposed changes in your area.

    There will also be key people who can answer questions regarding traffic investigations and improvement options.

    Information regarding these sessions will be announced shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue will have no material effect to the issue of morning traffic, however it will have a disproportionate adverse effect on local traffic for the remainder of the day and week. I live in the area and use that road every day of the week. If the road is closed, I will literally have to drive in the opposite direction and drive twice as far to get to the same point on Manly Road. It will mean that if I am driving from the north (eg: Brookvale) into Clontarf, I will have to use Condamine Street rather than the burnt bridge bypass, Manly Road then Heaton route. At other times of the day and weekends, because of other road closures around Condamine street, the traffic through Condamine can be abysmal. The proposed closure will not speed up the majority of traffic nor bus times during a defined 2 to 3 hour period for five days of the week (9% of the week), however it will have a disproportionate adverse effect on users of local roads for the remaining 21 to 22 hours a day and on weekends (being 91% of the time). It will push traffic back through school zones and drop offs (Balgowlah heights has two schools), funnel more cars into the junction at Seaforth, which is worst bottleneck in the area. With the amount of morning buses and school buses using Beatrice street and other similar thoroughfare streets around Balgowlah Heights, the Heaton Ave closure will just push traffic issues to elsewhere. If the issue is that the entry of cars into Manly Road blocks buses, then to move this traffic elsewhere will be nonsensical as they have to enter the main roads at some point and all other main roads accessing Manly Road have buses as well. I also comment that the main thing that slows buses on Manly Road and Military Road are other buses and pushbike riders. The frustration is that if you live in the Manly area, you are constantly subject to road closures in return for no perceivable gain. In the recent decade there have been closures in Manly, Manly Vale, North Manly, Fairlight, Balgowlah, Seaforth. These create bottlenecks and add to traffic issues rather than disperse vehicles. Often these closures create traffic issues around school times and weekends. It also appears to me that the Government is hell bent on this B Line for the sake of a marketing/political purpose. Previously it has proposed to make the transit lane on the burnt bridge bypass a bus lane. For what reason? for what perceived benefit? Government has a clear choice here - and it appears that Government does not value the local people who use the road 24/7 as much as it values people who choose to live further north and catch a bus five mornings a week and whose bus may or may not be late because it was stuck behind bike riders at Dee Why or it was stuck behind 5 other buses at Spit Junction. If the Government insists on this plan, it should look at having a bus bay further up the hill or down the hill from the current bus stop at Manly Road and Heaton Ave (and not close Heaton). It may add to construction cost however it will be less costly than closing Heaton and there is plenty of room to do it. You don't need to close a road to do it. Down the hill would have better sight lines. If the Government was serious about bus times, it would ban or restrict bicycles slowing traffic along this route, it would remove the bus stop further down Manly Road (the bus users don't need two stops in such close proximity), it would update the Spit Bridge, it would fix the traffic snarl that is Spit Junction (in peak hour, it would reduce the frequency of pedestrian crossings at key spots on the route (mostly Spit Junction - make pedestrians use the footbridge, build another footbridge). Please do not continue with this proposal

    M Lane asked 11 months ago

    Hi M Lane,

    Thanks for your comments.

    We have received a lot of feedback in relation to closing Heaton Avenue. The B-Line Project Team are planning further community consultation to review alternative options to closing Heaton.

    There are also plans to upgrade noted bottlenecks through Spit Junction and along Military Rd including improved tidal flow options and indented bus bays. 

    These combined improvements intend to ease traffic flow for buses and other commuters.

    Information will be available shortly to review the environmental impact assessment report, specifically for the Brookvale to Seaforth stage of the B-Line corridor. There will be key people at the community information sessions who will be able to discuss the proposed solutions and alternatives presented.

    ~Melanie

  • Will there be any viable public transport options for the residents of Seaforth, Balgowlah and Clontarf? The Bus route leave out the aforementioned suburbs and the Heaton rd closure has no impact other than to further inconvenience the local residence. I already stagger my work start time to an astounding 7:30am to avoid the horrendous traffic condition yet it still takes me an hour to travel the 10km to my workplace. The Heaton rd closure will add on an additional 20-30minute to my commute time. When will there be a REAL solution to the absurd traffic and public transport conundrum?

    Erika asked 11 months ago

    HI Erika,

    Thank your feedback.

    Your concern surrounding increased travel times for local residents has been noted.

    The B-Line Project Team have provided alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue which will be on display as part of the Review of Environmental Factors document.

    Details regarding this public display period and associated community information sessions will be available shortly.

    ~Melanie


  • I posted a concern regarding the Heaton Ave closure 1 week ago and it is not yet up on your website, nor has a reply been provided. The community information meetings were due in early November yet there is no scheduled date notifified for these meetings. The public is rightfully sceptical of the B-Line project given the flawed design solutions proposed to date at Manly Road, and clearly the project is hopelessly under-resourced to fully investigate impacts of the proposal and respond to community feedback. I expect better service from TfNSW for the Premier's electorate.

    Frontline asked 10 months ago

    Hi Frontline,

    Please see my comments to your original message below.

    Our apologies for not responding to your comments earlier, it has taken longer than we anticipated to formally acknowledge the large amount of feedback we had on this website, via email and our 1800 number specifically relating to the Heaton Avenue closure.

    ~Melanie

  • My family and I strongly oppose the closure of Heaton Ave for the B-line project. Heaton Ave provides essential access from Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights 24/7 as an alternate route to the significant congestion experienced regularly on Sydney Rd from Clontarf, Balgowlah and Seaforth approaches. We have many years experience travelling to the city and elsewhere during peak hour by bus, ferry and car and are very familiar with the issues of safety, congestion, service level and travel time on the various approaches to the Spit Bridge. The use of Heaton Ave by TfNSW to construct a bus bay is merely opportunistic as it is entirely feasible to construct a bus bay at the site of the existing bus stop with some engineering imagination and keep Heaton Ave open to traffic. If it can be done on Spit Bends near Medusa St, Mosman it is also possible on Manly Road. The choice of Heaton Ave intersection for a bus bay is really a means for TfNSW to achieve its aim of eliminating cross lane movements from Heaton Ave, citing safety as its rationale. In a low speed environment during AM and PM peak there is no issue of vehicles safely entering from Heaton Ave and merging with Manly Rd traffic. It is difficult not to see this idea as driven by the powerful bus driver lobby group who really ought to be more concerned for the safety of cyclists sharing the transit lane on Manly Road than saving a seconds of travel time. TfNSW would also be aware that many bus drivers are often reluctant to properly pull into a bus bay so as to avoid waiting to re-enter the traffic lane. Obviously this practice causes delays to the following traffic and other buses. In such circumstances any perceived benefit to B-line travel times can be easily lost due to bus driver behaviour. This is unlikely to be allowed for in your modelling. The extra traffic load from Heaton Ave that would be redirected during AM peak onto the Sydney Rd intersection and surrounding streets can not be safely or technically accommodated in an already massively congested locality. Traffic queues are regularly back past Seaview St on Sydney Rd, Balgowlah and past Brook Rd intersection on French's Forest Rd, Seaforth, and of course well back towards Manly Vale on Burnt Creek Deviation. The Manly bus services to the city, Nth Sydney and Chatswood (many of these are express services) are already part of this congestion and regularly run late during the AM peak due to extended delays on Sydney Road. Claims that the B-line project will introduce improvements to the efficiency of the Sydney Rd intersection to offset Heaton Ave closure are unproven, disingenuous, and unachievable without grade separation. The B- line closure of Heaton Ave will compromise accessibility for the entire Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights community for the benefit of 12 bus loads of Northern Beaches B-line passengers for one hour each weekday morning to save a maximum of 30 seconds travel time at Heaton Ave. The proposed conversion of the transit lane to a bus lane on Manly Rd (and possibly Sydney Rd) will also force more vehicles to use less road space which will generate even further congestion to compound the problems already being experienced and likely to worsen under the Heaton Ave proposal. Additionally, if the Heaton Ave bus stop is so important, what is proposed for the next bus stop at Avona Crescent ? Is another bus bay to be constructed here also, or is this considered a "minor" bus stop? Buses stopping at Avona Cres regularly delay traffic in the transit lane. There is no information available regarding this bus stop and its affect on travel times. Despite being in the Premier's electorate the B-line is clearly not designed to improve public transport services for the Balgowlah, Clontarf and Seaforth community as it is simply too far (and illogical) for most residents to access the B- line bus stop at Manly Vale. We do not subscribe to the concept of TfNSW disadvantaging such a significant element of the Northern Beaches community 24 hrs per day, 7 days per week for the perceived benefit of a few bus travellers for 1 hour of the day amid spurious claims of bus commuter travel time savings. Our community stands to gain very little from the B-Line project if at all, but at the same time is expected to accept road closures, further traffic and transport congestion and be further compromised by ill conceived transport planning. In summary the issues raised here include: 1. Real Improvements to congestion at Sydney Rd / Burnt Ck Deviation intersection are unachievable due to traffic volumes, no. of phases, queue back from Spit Bridge, transit lane closure, and lack of grade separation. 2. Closing Heaton Ave will not achieve appreciable travel time savings 3. More traffic will be forced onto already congested Sydney Rd from Clontarf and Balgowlah 3. Existing bus services on Sydney Rd will be further delayed by congestion 4. Removal of transit lane will significantly increase congestion in remaining lanes 5. Pedestrian safety in School zones at Balgowlah Boys campus will be compromised by increased traffic congestion and queues forced onto Maretimo St and Sydney Rd. 6. Community access to Manly Rd will be compromised 24/7 and increase congestion on other local roads. We welcome the opportunity to discuss these issues at November community meetings and urge TfNSW planners to look for better solutions in this area.

    Frontline asked 11 months ago

    Hello Frontline,

    Thank you for your detailed response and feedback in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue and subsequent traffic congestion and commuter delays.

    Our apologies for not responding to your comments earlier, it has taken longer than we anticipated to formally acknowledge the large amount of feedback we had on this website, via email and our 1800 number specifically relating to the Heaton Avenue closure. 

    I want to assure you that the B-Line Project Team are acknowledging all the feedback we have received from the Seaforth, Clontarf, Balgowlah and Balgowlah Heights community and that alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue are being presented as part of the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display shortly (also known as the Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    During the public display period, we will also be hosting several community information sessions where our engagement team and Project Engineers will be onsite to walk through proposed alternatives and answer any detailed questions you have regarding traffic modelling and data analysis included within the REF.

    From these sessions, all community feedback will be tabled and form part of the final determination prior to the project progressing to the next stage.

    Details regarding public display and community information sessions will be communicated shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • As a local resident of Balgowlah I strongly object to the permanent closure of Heaton Avenue. Closure of this road will further exacerbate the issue of traffic banking up on Sydney Road and diverting the traffic from Heaton Avenue to White Street, Seaview Street, Wanganella Street which are already congested and can take some time to turn across to access and leave my own home street. Also for concern is diverting the traffic past 2 local schools St Cecelias and Balgowlah boys alot of children use these roads to walk to school and sport having extra traffic using these small roads to get to sydney road also poses a safety issue for the primary school and high school children. Given Sydney road will the be the only access point for Manly, Fairlight, Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf will the intersection on Sydney Road and Spit Hill. At present it can take a good 20 minutes to get from the Sydney road intersection onto Spit Hill during peak times, how will the intersection be upgraded to accommodate the extra traffic? Why not include a indented bus lane and a slip lane for the traffic coming out of Heaton Avenue? Will the T3 lane still be available once the new bus lane is finished?

    ana asked 11 months ago

    Hi Ana,

    Thank you for your feedback, your objection has been formally noted.

    There are several intersection upgrades planned for the Sydney Rd/Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation which will improve access into Manly Rd from Sydney Rd East and West.

    These upgrades, plus several alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue will be detailed in the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display in the near future.

    We will be communicating dates and times of community information sessions during the display period which will be an opportunity for the community to review the changes and provide feedback which will form part of the final determination report.

    ~Melanie



  • I agree with all the comments regarding the potential closure of Heaton Ave access to Manly Rd Spit Hill. As said already, it would be rediculous and irresponsible to further burden the Sydney Rd routes onto the Spit corridor not to mention the travel time impact to the residents of Clontarf and surrounds. Is there evidence that vehicles entering the Manly Rd stream slow traffic that is already walking pace in peak times?

    Andrew P asked 11 months ago

    Hi Andrew,

    Thanks for your response.

    Traffic modelling has assessed the time delays, and details of this analysis is available along with alternative options, which have been developed as a result of public feedback.

    This information will be available in the Review of Environmental Factors Report, on public display shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • I live on the corner of Ethel and Maretimo street with a roundabout at my back gate. Closing Heaton ave exit would stop the cut thru from Sydney Rd which would make it so much safer for us attempting coming and going from our driveway especially considering we always have small grandchildren in the car and it is S0 dangerous but would reduce traffic at this intersection. Would you please remove the roundabout at this intersection and replace it with stop signs to prevent a tragedy happening.? Road rage is horrific at this intersection.

    David and Jenny-lee Lee asked 11 months ago

    Hi David and Jenny,

    Thank you for your response. 

    There is no consideration to removing the roundabout at Maretimo and Ethel as these streets fall under local government jurisdiction, including traffic management.

    The B-Line Project is focussed on changes & upgrades along the main corridor of the Northern Beaches including Barrenjoey Rd, Pittwater Rd, through Spit Rd and Military Roads specifically.

    Your local council will be able to advise you where you can make your above suggestion formally.

    ~Melanie

  • Hello and thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. Regarding Heaton Avenue's traffic modelling: will raw and simulated data be made available in line with the NSW Government's Open Data policy (http://data.nsw.gov.au/faq)? Fascinated to see how diverting traffic in the opposite direction to join upstream from a major congestion point would improve flow for Manly, Fairlight, Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights, Clontarf and Seaforth residents.

    jgrundling asked 11 months ago

    Hi jgrundling,

    As mentioned in previous responses to other comments, data analysis & traffic modelling, which has formulated the original proposition of closing Heaton Avenue as the preferred option will be available as part of the Review of Environmental Factors report (REF).

    Representatives from the planning team will also be on hand at upcoming community information sessions if you have further questions after reviewing the REF.

    Dates and times regarding the public display period and community information sessions will be available shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • My on-site data collection suggests that, in the morning peak, about 2000 south bound vehicles per hour enter Manly Rd from the Sydney Rd intersection. As there will be only 12 B-line buses per hour, the B-line impact on traffic flows will be insignificant or nil. It will be interesting to see the hard evidence supporting the closure of Heaton Ave and the re-direction of perhaps hundreds of vehicles per hour through local roads, on to Sydney Rd and through the Sydney Rd and Manly Rd intersection.

    Graham asked 11 months ago

    Hi Graham,

    Data analysis & traffic modelling, which has formulated the original proposition of closing Heaton Avenue as the preferred option will be available as part of the Review of Environmental Factors report (REF).

    Representatives from the planning team will also be on hand at upcoming community information sessions if you have further questions after reviewing the REF.

    Dates and times regarding the public display period and community information sessions will be available shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • I wonder how many of you investigating the proposed closure of Heaton Ave know and understand the nuances of the local residents and their travel habits? I hope from the many angry voices that you will listen. The B-Line Bus Service is just that, a program that accommodates bus commuters only, whilst being detrimental to other road uses, namely cars. Why is only one section of the community's travel woes addressed and not the other? This proposal shows a distinct lack of foresight, consideration, judgement and sensitivity. You have a tough job, and most of us would recognise that, but I believe that this proposal is wrong in that it is insufficient, and does not elevate congestion and time travel for the majority or all of the uses in this corridor.

    Jen M asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jen,

    The B-Line project is an initiative to improve services and infrastructure for bus commuters from Mona Vale down the Northern Beaches to the CBD, to achieve better frequency and reliability.

    Local community feedback has been acknowledged to further develop the Review of Environmental Factors report which will be on public display shortly.

    Community information sessions will also be held to further consult with local residents and businesses.

    ~Melanie



  • I cannot believe that the closure of Heaton Road is even being considered. The impact on traffic congestion in the Seaforth and Balgowlah Heights area will suffer considerably, if this road is closed. The traffic in Seaforth is already close to Gridlock and forcing more traffic from Balgowlah Heights through Seaforth will make the situation far worse. The increase in traffic will call in to question the safety of road users and pedestrians as they seek to battle their way through this already congested area. The alternative is to join the Sydney Road, again this is a heavily congested area during rush hour, especially approaching the main traffic light intersection with the Sydney Road and the A8. The consequences of the traffic build up will create safety issues around Balgowlah Boys School putting students at risk. Surely residents in the area deserve some consideration in what is already a very congested area, closing Heaton Avenue which currently provides a much needed pressure release for residents travelling to work helps everyone. As it relieves the traffic pressure on the main intersection and helps keep traffic moving in the area.

    Neil G asked 11 months ago

    Hi Neil,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    I want to reassure you that the REF was initially proposed to then formally consult with the community on all road changes involved.

    Due to large number of responses we have received in relation to Heaton Avenue, the B-Line Project team have presented alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue which will be displayed publicly in the very near future.

    We are also hosting community information sessions which will be advertised prior to allow the community to attend & provide further feedback on options proposed.

    Dates and times for these will be available shortly.

    ~Melanie

  • I strongly object to the closure of Heaton Avenue. This would force more traffic onto Sydney Road and more cars going through school zones.

    Marie asked 10 months ago

    Thanks Marie your objection has been noted.

    ~Melanie

  • I strongly object, as this close would effectively limit our exit from our suburb. We will be penalised because the bus service will be given priority over the residence of this area.

    Marie asked 10 months ago

    Thanks Marie your objections has been noted.

    ~Melanie


  • As a Balgowlah Heights resident, I strongly oppose the proposed closure of Heaton Ave at Spit Road. I use Heaton Ave to Spit Road many times during the day and night. This proposal would make our daily commutes and driving longer, more stressful and would pose an increased driving risk, adding the potential of greater danger to both drivers and pedestrians – elderly and children. I did a driving test to see the impact of this proposal by using the alternate route to go to Mosman if Heaton Ave was closed. The drive was revealing and highly problematic and a drive that was clearly not performed when someone proposed this closure. My route involved driving through three pedestrian crosswalks (at Ernest St and Lewis St, and two more within the Balgowlah Heights shopping village at Beatrice St and New St), driving through a very busy roundabout (at Maretimo St and Ethel St), then past a school, which includes a School Zone, then stopping at Sydney Road and waiting for a clearing among a lot of traffic, then stopping at the red light at an already extremely busy intersection. In our current drive from home to Spit Road at Heaton we have none of this. Not only did this driving test add time to my already lengthy commute, it added half a kilometre (the amount of driving I do, that equates to over 500 added kilometres each year, and I am just one driver in this household). Even more worrying than that is the increased risk in motor traffic in and around pedestrians, schools and the Balgowlah Heights shopping village. This has major negative consequences to the safety of pedestrians. An effective and integrated transport plan and option needs to be developed that doesn’t include a road closure that has such a highly negative impact as this one does. Regards, Catherine

    Catherine asked 11 months ago

    Hi Catherine,

    Thank you for your feedback regarding increased travel time and pedestrian safety.

    The B-Line Project Team have been carefully considering alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue, and plan to present these as part of the environmental impact assessment (also known as Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions will be held shortly to discuss alternative solutions and further consultation with the community will happen before a final determination is made.

    ~Melanie

  • As a Clontarf resident I regularly use Heaton road to access Manly road to drive to the city. At the morning peak driving through the Seaforth roundabout and then the lights on Manly road adds 15 to 30 minutes to my travel time as opposed to using Heaton Road I disagree with any closure of Heaton road until a tunnel has been built under Mosman/cremorne/neutral bay and/or Military road is converted into an expressway with on and off ramps to the various side streets throughout Mosman, Cremorne and Neutral Bay. Once the tunnel or other solutions are in place, then we can consider what to do with Heaton Road Further the government should not have sold the corridor from Edinburgh rd Castlecrag to Seaforth/north Balgowlah and onto the Burnt creek deviation. Having the bridge from Castlecrag to Seaforth would have taken a large part of the load from Manly road/ military road The government should first make and lock in the overall solution (tunnel and fast ferry from Clontarf ) before closing off current roads/access. Closing off Heaton road will worsen the situation for residents of Clontarf and Balgowlah The closures of roads and restrictions of traffic in Mosman ( eg restricted left turn from Awaba st into Spit road between 3pm and 7pm on weekdays for no other reason than to reduce traffic through Awaba st, and the one way only on Bay St Quakers Hat Bay, also to reduce traffic for local residents simply adds to the travel time of taxpayers- who have paid for those roads to be built- who live beyond Mosman I absolutely disagree with further lengthening the travel time of Clontarf and Balowlah residents by closing Heaton Road Unfortunately the government has consistently made such closures/restrictions without the delivering on the overall solution eg tunnel and castlecrag to seaforth bridge

    Martin D asked 11 months ago

    Hi Martin,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    There has been numerous response and objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue and subsequent travel times for local residents heading south.

    The -B-Line Project Team have been acknowledging and recording feedback and alternative solutions as part of the community consultation which has formed the Review of Environmental Factors (REF) which will be on public display.

    Along with this document, we will be hosting community information sessions where the REF will be on display and the community can provide further feedback on the options displayed as alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue.

    All this information will be addressed prior to a final determination.

    We will be notifying the community shortly when the community information sessions will be held.

    ~ Melanie

  • What alternatives or other options to the closure of Heaton Avenue have you considered in coming to this decision?

    SarahG asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sarah,

    As mentioned in response to your earlier comment, alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue will be detailed in the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display in the near future. 

    These alternatives reflect ideas as suggested by the community as part of the large response we received when the newsletter went out. 

    We will be communicating dates and times of community information sessions during the display period which will be an opportunity for the community to review the changes and provide feedback which will form part of the final determination report.

    ~ Melanie

  • I wish to add my voice to the opposition to the closure of Heaton Ave. It will have a massive negative impact on the residents of Balgowlah Heights, Clontarf and Seaforth for very little or no gain to traffic flow on Spit Road. It effectively locks us in our suburb. I fully support B-Line and the NSW Government's plans for a Spit Tunnel/Beacheslink project. Thank you for consulting. Please listen and act.

    Brad asked 11 months ago

    Hi Brad,

    Your objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    Further community consultation will be held once the Review of Environmental Factors is on public display shortly.

    ~ Melanie

  • The B-Line Express Service to the City from the Northern Beaches. New Covered Bus Stops/Bus Bays Please. Requires additional Set Down and Pick Up Bus Stops on each side of Burn Creek Deviation close to Sydney Road on the Northern Side on the available public land to Allow people access from Balgowlah and Seaforth. As Sydney Road is a main access road from Balgowlah / Manly / Seaforth to allow people to transfer from existing bus services to the New B - Line Bus Stops provided by connecting pathways each side and from the Overhead Pedestrians Bridge at Balgowlah B H/Sch etc. A short walk to the new B-Line Bus Stops. Then also the Heaton Ave access blockage is short sighted too. Leave Street 'Open' Please

    R C Stead asked 11 months ago

    Hi R C Stead,

    Thank you for your feedback. We have noted your objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    A formal submission in relation to a B-Line stop to service bus commuters from Balgowlah and Seaforth can be made once the Environmental Impact Assessment goes on public display.

    Currently bus commuting numbers from this area are being serviced by the E71 and haven't warranted an additional stop being provided along the main road corridor.

    ~ Melanie

  • As a Clontarf resident living in Amiens Rd and using Heaton Ave on a regular basis to access Manly Rd I am strongly against the closure for all the reasons that have been listed by fellow residents. This closure would only lead to more congestion at Seaforth roundabout and adjacent streets leading to Manly Rd.

    Bettina Deda asked 11 months ago

    Hi Bettina,

    Your objection has been acknowledged.

    ~ Melanie


  • The complete closure of Heaton Street is overkill in addressing a peak-hour issue. I can appreciate the benefit of an indented bus stop to allow express buses past during the peak but I am convinced there is a better solution than a blanket closure.The entry from the north for residents and access to Manly Road for the rest of each weekday and all weekend is important. I request a closer and more creative review of this part of the plan to see how both B-Line and local resident's access objectives can be achieved.

    cary.budd asked 11 months ago

    Hi Cary,

    A variety of alternatives to the closure of Heaton Avenue are being considered.

    These will be detailed in the Review of Environmental Factors report, planned for public display very soon.

    ~ Melanie

  • Would the decision makers be bold enough to close Heaton Ave in a trial run for a few days (that is not a school holiday, Monday nor Friday) to clearly understand the impact of this ill-conceived plan? All traffic from Heaton Ave can only travel SOUTH. 3 of the 4 proposals address traffic flow in a direction THAT IS NOT SOUTH. Can you please explain how this would address increased traffic under the proposed closure?

    Anna L asked 11 months ago

    Hi Anna,

    Please review the Environmental Impact Assessment (also known as the Review of Environmental Factors or REF) when it goes on public display shortly.

    Community information sessions will be held to formally consult with local residents and other stakeholders and submissions will be considered before a final determination is made.

    ~ Melanie

  • It would seem an illogical and poorly thought out response to block a suburb's exit by constructing a bus layback across an existing road. Heaton Avenue has a wide frontage and if turning in to Heaton Avenue was prevented, it would appear a 40m bus layback could be constructed by commencing the layback approximately 8 or 10 metres to the north of the existing bus shelter. This would still allow an exit lane from Heaton Avenue. Yes, some excavation might be required to provide level access, but this is relatively minor in the long term. The idea of blocking Heaton Avenue permanently when the morning peak is between 0600 and 1000 Monday to Friday seems unreasonable. For any other time (and during peak hour too), it is a perfectly acceptable exit, which is easily achieved. Secondly, unless you also propose to remove the T3 and then cram all existing traffic into two lanes, what significant delays would be encountered by then continuing to allow Transit Lane drivers at the least, to utilise Heaton Avenue during peak hour? As it is, currently traffic integrates effectively and efficiently through buses stopping, breaks in the traffic and through the courtesy of northern beaches drivers. Buses in laybacks still slow down to enter and then exit the layback. Thirdly, this proposal does not appear to relate to reducing traffic times or congestion in the area. It appears to relate only to the political promise for faster buses from the Northern Beaches. Does that justify the inconvenience this decision will cause? Fourthly, Sydney Road is also a State Road and therefore consideration is required to manage increased traffic generated by this proposal. It is not enough to say that it will be considered at a later date. This should be an integrated response. Unfortunately for Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights residents, the sparse E71 bus service with a convoluted route is via the congested Seaforth roundabout. Since roundabouts do not cope with higher traffic numbers, which will certainly occur with the closure of Heaton Avenue, traffic lights should be considered at Seaforth. The E71 is a slow service. It is also a very limited service as the return service ceases at 1850 from the City. This is difficult for those needing a connecting bus to Wynyard. The service operates only during weekday peaks, resulting in a high reliance on car transport. With regard to the extensive traffic modelling referred to, the survey on Heaton Avenue appeared to be undertaken for between 2 and 3 days, shortly before the last school holidays. This is not extensive. Additionally, we have not received any material from you (with a Clontarf address we would expect to) and it has been left to local residents to promote the closure. Please consider the submissions of local residents who are affected by this proposal. The consultation process is somewhat useless and condescending if the submissions are ignored. There is always room to amend a design proposal as more information comes to light. I would respectfully suggest further consideration be given as to how Heaton Avenue can be maintained as an exit to the South for the residents of Clontarf, Balgowlah Heights and Seaforth. We will not benefit from the service, no mitigation is proposed and we will be seriously penalised by the proposal.

    Morningstar asked 11 months ago

    Hi Morningstar,

    Your objection and feedback in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    As yet, we are still finalising the Review of Envionmental Factors report which, as a result of community feedback to date, will present further alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue.

    This document will be on public display very shortly. All submissions will be considered before a final determination is made.

    ~ Melanie

  • You will be forcing hundreds of cars from Balgowlah Heights and Clontard every day onto Sydney road via Ethel street, Maretimo Street, Coral Street, Wanganella Street and Seaview Street. This will worsen the already gridlocked Seaforth Roundabout and Sydney Road/Manly road intersection in the morning and move the current choke points further back. The transit lane needs greater enforcement, otherwise you will have three lanes of traffic backed up the hill regardless of whether you build a bus bay for those buses that stop there. If you want less cars out of Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf, give us a better service than the limited loop of the 171/E71 service, which operates like an afterthought.

    Clonnie resident asked 11 months ago

    Hi Clonnie,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Traffic congestion will be addressed as part of the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display shortly.

    The bus service plan is also under review which will include changes to the E71 service for local commuters in Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf. This will be available to review and comment early next year.

    ~ Melanie


  • Please note that I'm totally opposed to proposed Heaton Rd closure. As a local resident of Balgowlah Heights/Clontarf & Manly ratepayer of over 25 years, I strongly object to the proposed Heaton Rd closure for the following reasons: Heaton Rd is a critical access point for local residents commuting to city, Sydney South/West and beyond; flow of traffic along Heaton Rd on to Manly Rd both during morning peak times and outside of this period is well regulated and integrated; morning peak traffic times are only 4 hours per day Monday-Friday school times only - so rest of time really not affected; flow on affect of traffic congestion back through Seaforth shops, Balgowlah Heights, Seaforth, Clontarf; Sydney Rd, Burnt Bay Bridge By-Pass. Where is the evidence that Heaton Rd closure will improve - guaranteed - congestion? Surely local residents have right to safe, convenient access to main south bound arterial road leaving area that has worked well for decades.

    Olaf asked 11 months ago

    Hi Olaf,

    Please note your objection has been acknowledged.

    The B-Line Project team have identified several options in conjunction with the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    In response to community feedback, these have now been incorporated into the environmental impact assessment (also known as Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    This document will be on display for public comment in the near future.

    Community information sessions will also be advertised to facilitate further community consultation.

    ~ Melanie

  • Would you please explain how any of this B-Line Program, including closing Heaton Ave, is going to improve congestion until such time as the Spit Junction intersection is either improved or preferably bypassed. Spit Junction is the major congestion point at all times of the day. All major cities worlwide have elevated roadways for through traffic. They may be unsightly but the majority of Military Rd is commercial premises and I am sure they would appreciate local traffic being able to park which would help their trade. Quite often I would stop to shop but don`t bother. An elevated roadway would also be the cheapest option. The pedestrian overbridge at Spit Junction would have to go but it is not used enough to justify it`s retention and crossing at the lights against local traffic would be improved. Otherwise give us a tunnel please.

    Frank Turner, Balgowlah asked 11 months ago

    Hi Frank,

    Thank you for your feedback and alternative suggestions.

    As part of the environmental impact assessment, there are several alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue. These will be available on public display shortly.

    There are several road upgrades planned as part of the Spit Rd and Military Rd corridor for the B-Line Project, including bus bay indents, traffic tidal flow improvements which will improve traffic flow through this area.

    ~ Melanie

  • I asked 9 specific questions 8 days ago and you have responded with the answer: ~. This is a disgraceful and yet totally unsurprising failure to respond. Answer the questions I have asked. Also, Please answer my additional questions: Have you considered closing Heaton Ave only in peak times? Have you considered leaving it open for transit lane and/or bus lane users? Have you considered leaving Heaton Ave open for people entering it from Manly Road? Can you confirm that you are also reviewing the T3 lane status on Manly road?

    davidinclontarf asked 11 months ago

    Hi David,

    Thank you for your patience and allowing us the time to find out the answers to your questions. I have been speaking with the relevant people within the project team who look after the different aspects which contribute to the overall outcome.

    Answers as to your questions as follows:

    Have you considered forcing a merge like a zipper rule allowing people to merge into the non bus/transit lane?

    Extensions of the allowed distance to merge out of the T3 lane and changes to merging conditions are some of the many options being considered following community feedback about the proposal.

    Have you considered removing all cars off all roads so that the buses have a clear run?

    This has not been considered.

    Have you considered removing the transit lane status and changing it to bus lane only in the AM?

    Yet to be advised - I am still waiting on specific information relating to lane designation.

    How many people use the Heaton exit during morning peak Hours?

    Around 600 vehicles turn from Heaton Avenue onto Manly Road during the morning peak on the average work day.

    How many people use it at all other times of the day?

    Further details regarding traffic numbers will be detailed in Traffic and transport section (6.1) of the Review of Environmental Factors Report (REF) which will be on public display shortly. 

    Have you considered a peak hour only closure?

    An AM peak is another of the options being considered.

    Have you considered a bus lane camera? Have you considered lane enforcement?

    Increased enforcement is being discussed with relevant stakeholders.

    I live in Clontarf, south of Amiens Road, please confirm I am now on the mailing list to recieve all updates by email and why you you excluded Clontarf/ my street from your letterbox drop'

    As Neil has previously confirmed, you are now on the mailing list.

    ~ Melanie

  • I throughly support the road closure at Heaton avenue. The street is used as a rat run to by pass the queue at the top of Sydney road and a great proportion of cars will not be local residents. The cars exiting onto Manly road clog up the bus lane and often stay in this lane past the bridge. Manly road is the only main road out of the northern beaches and the benefits to the entire region should take precedent.

    Jon Stuart asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jon,

    Thank you for feedback and support for the B-Line Project.

    Traffic exiting Heaton Avenue has been assessed, which resulted in the proposed closure as the preferred option. There is also details of other options being reviewed as part of the environmental impact assessment, which will be on public display shortly.

    ~ Melanie

  • Like many of the Balgowlah Heights residents who have commented below, I only became aware of this via the Facebook petition by (rightly) concerned fellow residents. This is a really poor decision to take away one of the only direct exit points to the South from the entire Clontarf/Balgowlah Heights area. The alternative to deviate to join the massive bottleneck at Sydney Road/Burnt Creek is insane. While I strongly support improved public transport options for the Northern Beaches, I have no choice but to drive given my work location and drivers also need to be considered in the overall transport issue.

    Belinda asked 11 months ago

    Hi Belinda,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Apologies you were not notified of original communication regarding the closure of Heaton Avenue. In light of the large community response, we are ensuring all future information is available to all residents from the greater area of Clontarf, Balgowlah Heights, Balgowlah and Seaforth.

    Formal community consultation will take place when the environmental impact assessment, also known as the Review of Environmental Factors Report is available for public display.

    We will be informing the community of upcoming information sessions which will be held during the display period to further review outlined options before a determination is made.

    ~ Melanie

  • Could you please explore alternatives to the closure of Heaton Avenue? Closing this access point will have catastrophic unintended consequences throughout Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf, as it will force all traffic in the area into just a few outlets along Sydney Road. Could you please have another look at this? It doesn't appear to have been thoroughly thought through.

    Gordon Scholes asked 11 months ago

    Hi Gordon,

    I would like to advise you that there are several alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue that are being considered and will form part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions and further consultation will be entered into when the REF goes on public display. This will be an opportunity to review the options the B-Line Project team are presenting.

    ~ Melanie

  • Good morning, It appears that Seaforth/Manly/Balgowlah residents will be adversely impacted by the construction of B Line with very little benefit. Can you please explain how residents in the above areas will be better off? Kind regards, Ant.

    ant morrow asked 11 months ago

    Hi Ant,

    The B-Line service is expected to improve bus travel for existing customers and provide a more frequent and reliable service for all bus users from Mona Vale to the CBD.

    The proposed closure and new bus bay would improve bus times at a source of congestion along the corridor. Recognising impacts to local residents, improvements at the major intersection are also planned.

    The B-Line Project Team is considering alternative suggestions to the current proposal, and will provide further details very soon when these will be on display as part of the environmental impact assessment.

    ~ Melanie

  • I formally object to this PROPOSAL. I have a question around how many buses the indented bus bay can handle at once, as a local resident I often witness up to 4 back to back buses travelling in the T3 lane, if more than one bus has to use the indented bus bay, surely this will have the same effect as is currently being experienced with buses stopping in the T3 as they have to wait their turn to get into the bus bay?

    BRydges asked 11 months ago

    Hi BRydges,

    Your formal objection has been noted.

    The bus bay is intended to service local buses of which only a small number, stop at Heaton Avenue, in comparison to the total number of buses using the T3 lane.

    The indented bus bay allows the local bus services to pull off the main corridor to allow traffic (including B-Line buses and Express services) to free flow down Manly Road.

    I would like to advise you that there are several alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue that are being considered and will form part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions and further consultation will be entered into when the REF goes on public display. This will be an opportunity to review the options the B-Line Project team are presenting.

    ~ Melanie

  • as an one time resident of Balgowlah heights it would be crazy to close this access for the local residents. There is a loop road down further that never gets used and can be a pickup point. Also back up the top of Dudley st there is a huge area that could be used for pickup points and get the buses off the transit lane. where are the stats that prove this is all worthwhile. Publish your research so we can analysis the data as we drive these roads everyday unlike the researcher in the RMS. You have stuffed up the orimbah rd intersection since the 2nd right hand turn lane was changed and now there is endless traffic al times of the day heading into the city past awaba st due to this poor decision and poor signposting.

    anthony asked 11 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

    Thank you for your feedback. 

    Formal community consultation will take place when the environmental impact assessment, also known as the Review of Environmental Factors Report is available for public display.

    Be assured that alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue are being considered by the B-Line Project Team and will be available for review.

    We will be informing the community of upcoming information sessions which will be held during the display period to further review outlined options before a determination is made.

    ~ Melanie

  • Closure of Heaton ave in the name of assisting traffic flow on Manly Rd is a folly. You think you are creating improved traffic flow, but all you're achieving is disruption to Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights residents and expediting the journey 400m to the log jam at Spit Bridge. Traffic flow to the CDB WILL NOT be aided by this ill-conceived notion. Please see sense and desist this notion. Regards Leigh

    conderl asked 11 months ago

    Hi Leigh,

    Thanks for your feedback. We have noted your objection to closing Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Melanie

  • I note there are currently only 3 questions & answers showing on this web-page. Please confirm (1) how many questions in total have been received via this website regarding the proposed Heaton Road closure, and (2) how many phone calls have been recieved. I would note I have left a phone message with your team asking for someone to call me on 6th October - I have not yet had anyone return my call, even though it is now 17th October

    Local daily commuter asked 11 months ago

    Hi Local daily commuter,

    Our apologies for not addressing your questions earlier. 

    Our environmental impact assessment will soon be on public display. Please feel free to review the feedback we have received which will be tabled along with alternative options presented to closing Heaton Avenue.

    We will inform the community as soon as possible when and where public display and community information sessions will be.

    ~ Melanie

  • 09.10.16: (with typo corrections) I forwarded an objection on the above date , which i have been advised has been referred to the engineering and technical team. There were some minor typos in the note copied back to me. Kindly use the text which follows with typos corrected. To B-Line Northern Beaches project Team. I wish to lodge a strong objection to the proposal to close Heaton Ave to Manly Rd. Firstly, I am a resident of Avona Crescent. We have never received any notification regarding the proposed closure (nor indeed, any other B-Line communication). So wherever the "4,300 contacts" were sent, B-line apparently consider Avona Cresc is "outside the affected area". That is far from the reality! 1. Peak hour right turn from Avona Cresc. During peak hours, Avona Cresc residents cannot do a right turn towards the North. The only solution is a left turn across Spit Bridge to the Turn-around options bay created at the Middle Harbour Yacht club vicinity, wait for a red light for main-line traffic, then proceed on the green light to the North. An improved left turn from Avona Cresc to the left lane of Manly Rd would aid both Avona Cresc residents and vehicles legally in the bus lane, but such a simple solution appears beyond the imagination of either B-Line or RMS. 2. Right turn into Avona Cresc from Manly Rd travelling North. A right turn into Avona Cresc when travelling N across Spit Bridge during either the morning peak or the evening peak is not permitted (nor is it safe or practical!). At a considerable portion of other times, a right turn into Avona Cresc involves a very long wait because of S bound traffic on Manly Rd. So the solution for Avona Cresc residents is a very large U-Turn involving Left turn at Manly Rd/Sydney Rd junction into Sydney Rd (inside left lane), Left into Ethel St, cross Manly Rd on the Ethel St overbridge, Right turn into Kanangra, Right into Heaton, Left into Manly Rd, down Manly Rd to Avona Cresc, Left into Avona Cresc. The proposal to block off Heaton would force Avona Cresc residents to merge into the right lane of Sydney Rd after doing the left turn at the hilltop junction, then 180 degree turn at the Ethel St Roundabout. then right into Manly Rd, then merge into the left lane of Manly Rd as progressing down the hill, then Left into Avona. The diagram included on p.2/6 of the Bline website proposal does not even show Avona Cresc, so presumably the planners have not given any consideration to the necessary traffic movements which Avona Cresc residents must live with daily, In my view, the concept of closing Heaton Avenue is ill-considered and has given little if any consideration to community impacts As a professional engineer with more than 40 years very successful professional practice, I can also regrettably say the proposal is lacking in professional judgement, I consider the note from Douglas Potter includes a sensible option which warrants consideration. While the roadside terrain between Heaton and Avona Cresc presents some technical difficulties for a widening bay, I do not consider these would be insurmountable or cause unsustainable cost increments. I fail to see how any of the proposed intersection upgrades summarised in the B-Line diagram would achieve any "mitigation of the impacts (of) closure" suggested in the B-Line response to D Potter's notes or my own notes above. Finally, at the very worst, a ban of "No left turn between 0630 and 0930, taxis & buses excepted"' at Heaton Ave would be much less disruptive solution to the proposed closure of Heaton Ave. I look forward to a properly considered response by B-Line to the suggestions so far received. Sincerely Graeme Peck, FIE Aust, PE

    G M Peck asked 11 months ago

    Hi G M Peck,

    As mentioned in my earlier comment, the B-Line Project team will be displaying alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    We will be in touch very soon with proposed dates and times for community information sessions when the REF goes onto public display.

    ~ Melanie

  • Neil, I am a resident in Balgowlah and note your claim that the closure of the Heaton Ave access to Manly Road will have no adverse impact on the traffic through Balgowlah as drivers from Clonarf and Balgowlah Heights make their way through the streets of Balgowlah to Sydney Road. I assume that you would be happy to share the results of the traffic modelling that has been done - this would include the data on current driver numbers currently using the Heaton Avenue route during the morning peak hours as well as the suburb where the cars are coming from, including cars starting their journey in Fairlight, Manly CBD and the Eastern Hill. With thanks. Terry

    Terry asked 11 months ago

    Hi Terry,

    This data has been recorded and will be available in the Traffic and Transport section of the environmental impact assessment (Review of Environmental Factors or REF) which be on public display soon.

    The community will be informed as to when and where the REF will be on display for review and comments.

    ~ Melanie

  • I cannot see any part of the proposal actually addressing what will happen to the many hundreds of cars that currently use Heaton Ave to access Manly Road. Those cars need to be able to leave Clontarf, Balgowlah Heights and Balgowlah during peak hours. You have not addressed how and where they will do so. The cars won't just vanish. It will cause a major congestion point at the corner of Beatrice St and New St West for cars seeking to leave Clontarf, and major congestion points at the Wanganella St and Maretimo St entrances to Sydney Road. None of your proposal addresses how these traffic pinch points will be dealt with, and the effect on the traffic flow along Sydney Road of the extra cars using it. It seems to me that you are moving one perceived problem to become bigger problems at other locations. I am very interested to see your modelling for the traffic congestion you will be creating at these points and the assumptions on which it is based.

    Amcgrath asked 11 months ago

    Hi Amcgrath,

    Traffic diverted as a result has been addressed in the environmental impact assessment also known as the REF which will be on public display very.

    We will be keeping the community informed as to when this is available for review.

    The B-Line Project team will also be presenting alternative options considered to closing Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Melanie

  • Three questions: Exactly what safety issues are you trying to address with closing Heaton avenue? How specifically would the proposed intersection upgrades improve the already highly congested traffic flows along Sydney road entering onto Manly Road during the morning peak period with the additional traffic due to the Heaton Road closure? What traffic and safety impact studies have been conducted in relation to the increased traffic on Maretimo St running in front of Balgowlah Boys High School due to the proposed closure of Heaton Road?

    bmmyki asked 11 months ago

    Hi bmmyki,

    All your questions will be addressed as part of the Review of Environmental Factors (also known as REF) which will be on public display soon.

    Community information sessions will be held to acknowledge the community's concern and further address alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Melanie

  • I oppose this idea. The problem lies with the spit road and this would simply add to the queue getting into the spit and add travelling time to those of us living in the area. You can also move the bus terminal further in and still allow access through. I didn't get any information on this, even though I live in Balgowlah. We should have been consulted. I use this road for access as a cyclist. Closing it, will make it more dangerous for me, as I would have to travel further in heavy traffic before I can detour at Parrawi.

    Daranem asked 11 months ago

    Hi Daranem,

    Your concerns as a cyclist have been noted.

    Further improvements along the Spit and Military Road are planned as part of the B-Line project which will improve traffic flow all the way along the North to South corridor.

    Future community consultation will be an opportunity to address any issues you have, once the environmental impact assessment is on public display.

    Information regarding these sessions will be available soon.

    ~ Melanie

  • I strongly object to the closing of Heaton Avenue. As a Balgowlah Heights resident it is my main point of access to head across the Spit Bridge. You comment that changes at the intersection of Sydney Rd and Manly Road will be an alternative and improved access for residents. However none of the changes in your map address the issue of access to Manly Rd from Balgowlah Hts. For us the key is improvement/ access in 2 directions: 1) traveling west on Sydney Rd to turn left into Manly Road to travel South (no changes shown) 2) turning right from Sydney Rd (on the Seaforth side) onto Manly Road to travel South.(no changes shown) Balgowlah Heights residents use Heaton Ave as we have trouble accessing Sydney Road in the peak from Maretimo, Wanganella, West St etc ... plus for many of us it is back-tracking and traveling further from our homes and in already congested traffic. Coral St is already not available for exit. The Seaforth roundabout is another regualr point of exit ... although there we are also competing with all the traffic from Seaforth and coming down Wakehurst Parkway from French's Forest. This is likely to get significantly worse with the continuing hospital and road construction at French's Forest. Heaton Ave is the local resident's primary point of exit. We can't even access the B-line that our amenity is being destroyed for. The nearest stop is at the Mall (and we won't be able to get there either). Cars exit Heaton into the bus lane, usually when a bus is stopped and there is a gap in the traffic. In my experience buses are rarely held up - it is quite easy to merge into centre lane by the time we reach Avona Crescent. Similarly, exiting Balgowlah Heights from Condamine St or Woodland St at Balgowlah is highly difficult, regularly taking a few sets of lights to get through, and on a steep hill, at all times of day/ night. Balgowlah Heights is a lovely place, but residents do need to leave it occasionally! We need to earn a living. It can already take 40 minutes in the peak to get to Mosman, I wouldn't be surprised if these changes will add another 20 minutes to the trip and worsen existing traffic chaos. You simply can't block off Heaton Avenue - its outrageous! Please move the bus bay slightly north of Heaton or down to Avona Crescent and provide additional length for merging with the traffic. Regards Sarah

    SarahG asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sarah,

    Thank you for your feedback. Please note we acknowledge your objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    There are several intersection upgrades planned for the Sydney Rd/Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation which will improve access into Manly Rd from Sydney Rd East and West.

    These upgrades, plus several alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue will be detailed in the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display in the near future.

    We will be communicating dates and times of community information sessions during the display period which will be an opportunity for the community to review the changes and provide feedback which will form part of the final determination report.

    ~ Melanie


  • 09.10.16: To B-Line Northern Beaches project Team. I wish to lodge a strong objection to the proposal to close Heaton St to Manly Rd. Firstly, I am a resident of Avona Crescent. We have never received any notification regarding the proposed closure (nor indeed, any other B-Line communication). So wherever the "4,300 contacts" were sent, B-line apparently consider Avona Cresc is "outside the affected area". That is far from the reality! 1. Peak hour right turn from Avona Cresc. During peak hours, Avona Cresc residents cannot do a right turn to towards the North. The only solution is a left turn across Spit Bridge to the Turn-around options bay created at the Middle Harbour Yacht club vicinity, wait for a red light for main-line traffic, then proceed on the green light to the North. An improved left turn from Avona Cresc to the left lane of Manly Rd would aid both Avona Cresc residents and vehicles legally in the bus lane, but such a simple solution appears beyond the imagination of either B-Line or RMS. 2. Right turn into Avona Cresc from Manly Rd travelling South. A right turn into Avona Cresc when travelling N across Spit Bridge during either the morning peak or the afternoon peak is not permitted (nor is it safe or practical!). At a considerable portion of other times, a right turn into Avona Cresc involves a very long wait because of S bound traffic on Manly Rd. So the solution for Avona Cresc residents is a very large U-Turn involving Left turn at Manly Rd/Sydney Rd junction into Sydney Rd (inside left lane), Left into Ethel St, cross Manly Rd on the Ethel St overbridge, Right turn into Kanangra, Right into Heaton, Left into Manly Rd, down Manly Rd to Avona Cresc, Left into Avona Cresc. The proposal to block off Heaton would force Avona Cresc residents to merge into the right lane of Sydney Rd after doing the left turn at the hilltop junction, then 180 degree turn at the Ethel St Roundabout. then right into Manly Rd, then merge into the left lane of Manly Rd as progressing down the hill, then Left into Avona. The diagram included on p.2/6 of the B-line website proposal does not even show Avona Cresc, so presumably the planners have not given any consideration to the necessary traffic movements which Avona Cresc residents must live with daily, In my view, the concept of closing Heaton Avenue is ill-considered and has given little if any consideration to community impacts. As a professional engineer with more than 40 years very successful professional practice, I can also regrettably say the proposal is lacking in professional judgement, I consider the note from Douglas Potter includes a sensible option which warrants consideration. While the roadside terrain between Heaton and Avona Cresc presents some technical difficulties for a widening bay, I do not consider these would be insurmountable or cause unsustainable cost increments. I fail to see how any of the proposed intersection upgrades summarised in the B-Line diagram would achieve any "mitigation of the impacts (of) closure" suggested in the B-Line response to D Potter's notes or my own notes above. Finally, at the very worst, a ban of "No left turn between 0630 and 0930, taxis & buses excepted"' at Heaton St would be much less disruptive solution to the proposed closure of Heaton St. I look forward to a properly considered response by B-Line to the suggestions so far received. Sincerely Graeme Peck, FIE Aust, PE

    G M Peck asked 12 months ago

    Hi G M Peck,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    We have had a large response in community feedback and objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    We acknowledge your concerns surrounding accessibility to Avona Crescent.

    The B-Line Project team will be displaying alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue and acknowledge the community's feedback regarding this topic and other matters relating to upgrades at the Sydney Rd/Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation intersection.

    This data will be available for review as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    We will be in touch very soon with proposed dates and times for community information sessions when the REF goes onto public display.

    ~ Melanie

  • Removing the bus stop would improve existing congestion caused by buses stopping at the existing ‘in lane’ bus stop. The proposed indent will also rectify this issue. Other congestion issues caused by vehicles turning from Heaton Avenue would not be resolved with the removal of the bus stop. with the present conditions, congestion is created when turning vehicles enter the existing kerbside bus and T3 lane and are forced to queue before merging into the second lane. This causes significant delays to vehicles in the bus and T3 Lane behind. You obviously have no direct experience of the area. I use Heaton Rd every morning most people merge quite easily with the traffic on Manly Rd. One of the main problems that causes people to queue before merging is the fact that the Traffic Police sit in Avona Cres on a revenue raising exercise a couple of times each month, which makes people queue to avoid a fine. I dare say if you allowed people turning into Manly Rd from Heaton St more distance to merge then your perceived problem would not exist.. Finally what kind of delays do you think push bikes cause to buses in the T3 lane. Like I said you have no practical experience of the issue. Re-routing all the Heaton Road traffic via Sydney Road is insane. What do you think will be the impact on traffic in Whittle St, Coral St, and Maretimo St. The simple answer is remove the bus stop, the patronage is very low anyway, which you should know.

    buzzer asked 12 months ago

    Hi Buzzer

    Thanks for your suggestion, the removal of the stop and extension of distances to merge are being considered.

    ~ Melanie


  • Please advise how the proposed upgrades at the Sydney Road/Manly Road / Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation intersection will offset the additional traffic in and around Balgowlah Boys High and Seaforth shops with the closure of Heaton Ave. I can't see any advantage of the upgrade to Clontarf & Balgowlah Heights residents. Also, please advise what the "significant safety benefits for bus customers and other commuters" would be with the closure of Heaton Ave?

    Ross asked 12 months ago

    Hi Ross,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Road improvements including right hand turning lane extensions, traffic signal infrastructure and signage are planned at the Sydney Rd, Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation and Manly intersection as part of the B-Line Project.

    I would like to advise you that the details regarding these upgrades at Seaforth and several alternative options to closing Heaton Avenue will form part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions and further consultation will be entered into when the REF goes on public display.

    Information regarding these sessions will be available soon.

    ~ Melanie


  • I do find the potential closure of Heaton Avenue baffling. While it's closure is of no detriment to me, I'm conscious of the number of residents who use it. I currently get on at the Heaton Av bus stop and buses stopping there have no bearing whatsoever on the time taken to get into the city. Given the huge amounts of congestion between Heaton Av and Spit junction, a bus stopping at Heaton Av will have caught back up to the traffic before spit bridge. If we ever get to the point of the Heaton Avenue stop delaying times into the city in any way shape of form, everyone involved in the project will have been awarded the Order of Australia!! I'd seriously encourage you to focus on areas that may assist in reducing congestion and save any time on fiddling with Heaton Av.

    Charlie asked 11 months ago

    Hi Charlie

    The proposal to construct an indented bus bay would benefit bus customers travelling on services that do not stop near Heaton Avenue, as they would not be restricted by stopping buses. The proposal is one of a series of incremental improvements planned across the corridor to improve travel times throughout the region.

    ~ Neil

  • As a resident of Clontarf I am extremely concerned by the closure of Heaton Rd access...one step forward for some residents and two steps backwards for the numerous locals who regularly use this access. Absolutely ridiculous non solution when there is a ready made alternative just down Manly Rd which doesn't restrict any access Bureacracy gone crazy!!

    kendouglas asked 11 months ago

    Hi Ken

    Travel time savings for bus customers would be maximised by the creation of the new bus bay and the closure of Heaton Avenue. Impacts to commuters who currently use Heaton Avenue are also being considered.

    ~ Neil

  • Having read about this proposed Heaton Road closure in the Manly Daily I would confirm we have not received any mail drop in Seaforth. I would ask that you inform us where all the traffic will be directed to enter the southward crawl to the Spit Bridge and beyond. As a resident of Seaforth, west of the Seaforth Roundabout, I forsee never even making it into the roundabout. Already the flow of traffic from Ethel Street has right of way into the roundabout and causes long delays as residents hope for a break in the traffic and if this flow is to increase the backing-up of traffic in Sydney Road south and Ross Street will see residents further west and south unable to their leave their homes. Please arrange to monitor the already difficult roundabout situation and consider the issues the increased traffic flow will have if you are promoting Ethel Street as a likely alternative for Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf residents.

    Judy O asked 11 months ago

    Hi Judy

    Thanks for your comments. Modelling suggests that proposed improvement works at the Manly Road/Sydney Road intersection will help to offset the additional traffic resulting from the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    We will continue to conduct modelling relating to the proposed changes and impacts as part of our ongoing reviews.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi, I am a Clontarf resident and strongly object to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue. Many of the reasons have already been expressed but for clarity I list the reasoning for my objection: - It would severely disadvantage local residents, making egress from the area extremely difficult - There is no reasonable access to the BLine for residents of Clontarf as a trade-off. Manly Vale is a fair distance and to get to a Spit Bridge bus stop we would be subject to the traffic flow issues of the Heaton Avenue closure. - It would add traffic to already congested areas on Sydney Road, either the flow coming from Manly or the main traffic flow for Seaforth and north Balgowlah at the roundabout in Seaforth. I am happy to sit down and discuss with any members of the review or at any forum. regards Sean

    sdpoh asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sean

    Your objection is noted. While there are no B-Line stops between Manly Vale and Spit Junction, express and all-stops services will continue to stop near Heaton Avenue and on Sydney Road when the B-Line is operational.

    Consultation activities will soon be announced, and we would welcome the opportunity to discuss the proposal with you.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi, As a resident of Clontarf I am incredibly concerned about the closure of Heaton Avenue. I, along with countless other residents along the Northern Beaches use this road daily in order to commute to Mosman and further suburbs in that direction. The closure of this road would be unsafe and cause more detriments than can be outweighed by the proposed new B-line service. Surely there must be other less frequented roads where this bus bay could be built? You seem to highlight the traffic caused by residents turning from Heaton Avenue and trying to exit the T3 on Manly Road. I believe there are other ways to improve this problem, including encouraging carpooling in the area. I urge you to reconsider this potentially dangerous move that would disservice thousands all along the Northern Beaches. The B-line bus may provide some benefits, however there is no possible way that the closure of Heaton Avenue would benefit any of the residents of Clontarf, Seaforth, Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights or even Manly.

    bcalipo asked 11 months ago

    Hi bcalipo

    The new bus bay, when combined with the closure of Heaton Avenue, would facilitate the maximum time saving for bus customers. Alternatives and suggestions are being considered as the proposal progresses.

    ~ Neil

  • Dear Northern Beaches B-Line Project Team - I too am a local resident from Balgowlah and wish to register my formal objection to any closure of Heaton Ave. I live in Maretimo St - three blocks from Heaton Ave - and only found out about the ill-conceived proposal today by a flyer hand-out; I can only summise your newsletter distribution company seems to have missed some very local residents. Having read most of the comments it is abundantly clear that any such road closure is largely unpopular and is going to inconvenience a large number of people from the Balgowlah, Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights regions, who are just trying to get to work everyday. As has been stated, if the closure goes ahead all those vehicles will cause additional local traffic build-up and congestion all the way down to Condamine street as drivers find other access points onto Sydney Road. If your project team is serious about safety as the 'spiel' indicates, there will be a lot more safety issues on the other local roads where 3 schools are in close proximity. And how can you justify one road closure by citing safety as an issue when there are many intersections all the way along the bus route? The suggestion that an upgrade of the Manly Rd/ Burnt Bridge / Sydney Road intersection will help traffic flow seems somewhat optimistic and simplistic as traffic still has to enter onto Sydney road at some point. By allowing traffic to use Heaton Ave it actually spreads the traffic load across that whole area at a good mid-point of the Spit Hill. The previous suggestion of moving and combining the bus stops away from the Heaton Ave intersection is also a great idea. I trust that common sense will prevail and community concerns are being heard - lines on a piece of paper may look good in a proposal, but in reality can cause many unintended consequences. Regards Chez

    Chez asked 11 months ago

    Hi Chez

    Your objection is noted. The original distribution of the newsletter included Maretimo Street, we will also send future updates to our email contacts to ensure you receive it.

    The project team is continuing to consider and review suggestions and alternative options relating to the closure of Heaton Avenue, including the relocation of the stop and indent or partial closures.

    ~ Neil

  • Can you please explain why local Clontarf residents who will certainly be affected by this proposed change to the access to Manly Road were not included in your initial communications?? I feel this oversight should be good enough reason to do the following: communicate with ALL local residents ASAP, and delay decision making until the people actually affected by these proposed changes have a proper chance to discuss and make comment. I for one will be affected by the proposed changes as will my husband. Also the bus services from Clontarf to the city are abysmal already, outside of morning peak hour, therefore adding other restrictions to our access to the road towards the city (as well as decent public transport) is unacceptable. Having no B-line bus stop between Manly Vale and Spit Junction means providing a very poor service to the local rate payers. I look forward to hearing from you as well as having some local communication soon. Kind regards, Grace

    GraceB asked 11 months ago

    Hi Grace

    The original newsletter was distributed to over 4,300 properties around Heaton Avenue. Future updates will be sent to an extended area, including all of Clontarf, Balgowlah and Balgowlah Heights south of Sydney Road.

    Your email address will also be added to our distribution list to be sent future updates.

    No decision has yet been made relating to the proposal, and the project team is continuing to review feedback and suggestions from the community. Any proposal would also be subject to formal planning approval and further community consultation.

    Express and all-stop services will continue to service Clontarf residents once the B-Line is operational.

    ~ Neil

  • So are you saying that you will be closing Heaton ave to local residents AND bypassing them with the B line bus service? Sounds like a loss/ loss AGAIN for the lower Northern Beaches! Seaforth/ Balgowlah Heights/ Clontarf are already severely disadvantaged by the fact that express services bypass the the area, even at peak commuter times. Some more community consultation would be most beneficial.

    LouiseE asked 11 months ago

    Hi Louise

    Several community consultation events will take place in the near future, and promoted via email, newspaper advertisements and on this website.

    Express services which currently stop at Sydney Road and Manly Road (near Heaton Avenue) are scheduled to continue to operate once the B-Line is operational.

    ~ Neil

  • I appreciate your effort to improve the traffic and transport situation in the Northern Beaches, however I do believe that your proposal to close Heaton Avenue will cause nothing but problems and significant disruptions to myself, my family and countless others. Heaton Avenue has been an integral part of the commute to Lower North Shore and the city for thousands. There is a bigger issue than just a bus bay that must be considered in this proposal. The hundreds of cars which will be redirected to other streets will cause problems for all residents, both the ones commuting and the residents along these streets who's morning may be disrupted by the large flow of cars now passing through their streets. Thank you very much for considering all of the wonderful feedback you've been given.

    bcalipo asked 11 months ago

    Hi bcalipo

    Thanks for your comments. The impacts on commuters who will be diverted due to the proposal is being considered in modelling and ongoing discussions. Intersection works proposed at Manly Road/Sydney Road would help to improve current congestion.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi. Further to your response to skidoggie's question below: As a comparison to the 50 people using the Heaton Ave/Manly Rd access in peak hour - how many Opal bus customers use the current Balg Boys stop? What's your definition of "peak hour"? Also, as a further comparison, has any analysis been done of how many cars/car passengers use the Heaton Ave/Manly Rd route for that same peak hour period? I live in Balgowlah Heights and use this access daily. It seems to me that this proposal would disadvantage a lot more people than the 50 bus passengers the proposal benefits.

    Daryl asked 11 months ago

    Hi Daryl

    The proposal would facilitate significant travel time improvements for customers, particularly those who are currently delayed behind buses stopping near Heaton Avenue or by vehicles entering Manly Road.

    Modelling and bus usage data has been compiled and would be provided in environmental documentation should the proposal be progressed.

    ~ Neil

  • We live in Seaforth and want to write to register our strong objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue, Clontarf as part of the new B-Line bus plan. The closure of this street will mean that we will need to use the intersection - Manly Road / Sydney Road and this only allows 3/4 cars to enter the intersection each time. This will also overburden the round about in Seaforth village. This may be in the interests of residents of the far northern beaches but very unfair to the residents of Seaforth, Clontarf, Balgowlah Heights and Balgowlah.

    asked 11 months ago

    Hi

    Your objection is noted. Intersection improvements included as part of the proposal are designed to improve performance at Manly Road/Sydney Road.

    ~ Neil

  • I am a resident of Clontarf and I am writing to express my opposition to your plans to close Heaton Avenue access to Manly Road. This will effectively isolate Clontarf, not only for private vehicles but ALSO for PUBLIC TRANSPORT. Already it takes half an hour for the bus near my house to reach the Heaton Avenue, Manly Road junction as it travels via Seaforth. If the cars currently using Heaton Avenue as a route to the south are forced to go through Seaforth or Sydney Road, it will have the effect of increasing congestion and prolonging that journey. If I travel by car, I will become one of the people adding to the congestion! I'm also not sure what closing the junction achieves. There is another bus stop 200m down Manly Road with no bay so busses will have to stop in the bus lane there. There will also be more congestion in Seaforth and Sydney Road, likely to impact on the bus lanes higher up Sydney Road. Additionally the are substantial dangers in re-directing all those cars through Balgowlah - the streets are narrow and already my bus struggles to get through to Seaforth safely. If a bay is built at the Heaton Avenue Junction, couldn't it be designed to continue to give access to private vehicles? Could not a traffic light system control the flow of traffic out onto Manly Road and achieve a similar outcome? Currently the bus stop provides a window for exiting traffic and this works well. Please consider these options and give me answers to the congestion issue and forced isolation of en entire suburb... Many thanks. William Leach

    wpleach asked 11 months ago

    Hi wpleach

    Your opposition to the proposal is noted. The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue and the creation of a bus bay for stopping buses would maximise travel time savings for other buses travelling on Manly Road.

    Alternative options and other suggestions are currently being considered.

    ~ Neil 

  • Please leave Kanangra Crescent and Heaton Avenue as they are now. If residents are forced to use Sydney Road in order to access Manly Road, the dreadful congestion that already exists will worsen. The parlous and neglected state of Northern Beaches transport has been the work of countless governments all of whom refused to bite the bullet and act decisively. The B_Line is a start but it won't lessen travel time if it impacts on the Heaton Avenue exit onto Manly Road, particularly in the mornings.

    Kent-Vote asked 11 months ago

    Hi Kent-Vote,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    The B-Line Project aims to improve travel to the CBD for bus commuters, there are several road upgrades and traffic changes to support this initiative.

    There has been a large amount of feedback objecting to the closure of Heaton Avenue and all community responses have been reviewed to form part of the environmental impact assessment which will be on public display in the near future.

    The community's concerns, including your own will be addressed prior to a final determination report.

    ~ Melanie

  • Given there is a bus stop 200m further south, how will closing Heaton Avenue contribute to flow given busses will stop there anyway (and at Spit Junction).

    wpleach asked 11 months ago

    Hi wpleach

    The stop at Heaton Avenue is more frequently used by buses and customers. A series of works to improve traffic flow and bus travel times are also proposed at Spit Junction, recognising it as another pinch-point within the corridor.

    ~ Neil

  • As a Seaforth resident who uses the T3 regularly to take my, and my neighbour's, kids to school I find that cars merging in from Heaton Avenue do not cause delays and are not dangerous. In fact it is a very ordered turning with a high proportion of cars in the T3 lane courteously allowing cars out of Heaton Avenue. If, instead, these cars are forced to use the traffic lights at Sydney Road, whether via Maretimo St, Wanganella St or the incredibly inefficient Seaforth roundabout it will cause further congestion in these areas. Even with the planned improvements to this junction a huge impact on travel times will be inevitable. This is being done for a bus line which doesn't even have a stop for the use of the residents of Balgowlah, Seaforth, Balgowlah Heights or Clontarf! As many have pointed out, there are other non-indented bus stops along this route so it suggests that the reasons for this one are not the ones stated! Can you explain this? Can you also confirm that the T3 lane will not be sacrificed to this new service?

    Helen asked 11 months ago

    Hi Helen

    Changes at other pinch-points across the corridor, including Spit Junction, are also proposed as part of the B-Line Program.

    While B-Line services are not proposed to stop between Manly vale and Spit Junction, local all-stops and express services will continue to stop at Heaton Avenue.

    Changes to the current T3 Status are being investigated, although they are not part of the current proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • The proposal to close off Heaton Ave to enable the creation of an indented bus bay (to enable smoother running traffic) is really laughable. It is like trying to put out a raging bushfire with a glass of water. The proposal is yet another piecemeal attempt to cure a huge problem that has arisen due to decades of failure on the parts of the various arms of government to implement a proper comprehensive long-term solution. I have been using that Heaton Ave exit onto Manly Road for well over a decade - I have not seen any problems, queues or delays with buses having to stop at the bus stop where the indented bus lane is proposed. The closure of Heaton Ave will only cause MORE congestion along Sydney Road on both the west and east side of Manly Road as well as on all the other feeder roads. Surely NSW Transport doesn't seriously believe that closing one road won't have any consequences elsewhere in the road network?

    John asked 11 months ago

    Hi John

    The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue would provide significant time savings for bus customers. Recognising the impacts to residents who regularly use this route to access the city and other areas, a series of improvements to the Manly Road/Sydney Road intersection are also planned.

    ~ Neil

  • I want to express my concern and objection regarding the planned closure of the Heaton Avenue access to Spit Hill advised by the B-line planning. As a long term resident in Balgowlah / Balgowlah Heights area for over 20 years, I've used this access to Spit Bridge at around 7.00am each morning to leave our neighbourhood. The surrounding roads are already grid locked in the morning peak with traffic coming from Burnt Creek by pass, Seaforth Junction and Manly Road. There are 100's or residents like me that would be significantly impacted by this closure, with even more traffic being diverted onto the above gridlocked areas causing further gridlock and delays.

    Ken Buckley asked 11 months ago

    Hi Ken

    Your objection is noted, and will included in ongoing discussions about the proposal and possible alternatives.

    ~ Neil

  • As a lifelong resident of Clontarf who has utilised the Heaton Road access to Manly Road thousands of times, I strongly object to this proposed road closure. This road closure would severely impact not only myself, but hundreds of other drivers, especially those who are early morning commuters. I have to wake up at 6.00am in the morning in order to be at university in North Ryde on time. At 6.30am, traffic leading down Manly Road towards the Spit Bridge is already bumper-to-bumper despite the opening of three lanes at that time. This heavy traffic leads all the way back to Burnt Bridge Creek Dv, Ethel Street/Frenchs Forest rbt and Sydney Rd, where a major intersection with short-phasing traffic lights causes significant congestion. The ability of hundreds of Clontarf/Balgowlah Heights residents to use the Heaton Road entry provides an alternative and direct route to access Manly Rd, without contributing to the absolute gridlock that occurs during the morning peak hour. By forcing us to use a different route other than Heaton Ave, this would put even more pressure on an already very large traffic problem that exists for commuters travelling towards Mosman. Every single resident of Clontarf that I know uses Heaton Rd to access Manly Rd, and I know that even in times of low traffic (ie. middle of the day, late at night), Heaton Ave provides a direct and logical route. By closing Heaton Ave, many of us would have to resort to using either the Ethel St rbt route or Maretimo - Sydney Rd route, both of which would increase km travelled, time wasted and petrol consumed (along with more greenhouse gases being emitted). Please consider a more logical and practical approach to improving the transport system. All commuters need to be taken into account, as drivers make up a significant percentage of those travelling south towards the city. There is a reason many of us choose to drive over taking public transport, for me personally it is because I go to Macquarie University and there is no direct and practical bus route that takes me there at the times that I need it. There are many other possible alternatives that can be considered. Closing Heaton Road would only lead to more problems and will have a significant impact on the trust of locals for their council's ability to make sensible and fair decisions.

    Clontarf resident asked 11 months ago

    Hi Clontarf resident

    Thanks for your comments. The Heaton Avenue proposal is part of TfNSW's B-Line project, and is independent of Northern Beaches Council.

    The travel times of drivers are being considered as part of ongoing reviews of the current proposal. Further information will be made available in the near future.

    ~ Neil

  • Whilst we all appreciate the need for progress and improvement doing so at the detriment of others is not considered progress. Closing Heaton will impact many local residents who use this on weekdays and weekends. Forcing local traffic onto Sydney road combined with the increased traffic resulting from higher population density occurring in the area only compounds the issue. You adding ~15 minutes additional travel time every weekday to an already tedious commute which will only get worse as more sub-divisions and apartments are developed. Traffic will back-up on Sydney road to beyond Condamine, at which stage Heaton will be closed never to be re-opened leaving you with limited viable options to ease congestion.

    Dion asked 11 months ago

    Hi Dion

    The proposed closure and new bus bay would improve bus times at a source of congestion along the corridor. Recognising impacts to local residents, improvements at the major intersection are also planned.

    We are continuing to review and consider alternative suggestions to the current proposal, and will provide further details in the coming weeks.

    ~ Neil

  • The closure of Heaton Avenue at Manly road will create significant traffic congestion on Sydney road and Seaforth when all of the traffic that currently exits via Heaton road has to find an alternative means to get into the south bound lanes of Spit Hill. The idea of an "indented" bus bay is good. Why not combine the indented bus bay with a slip lane for traffic coming out of Heaton Avenue? As buses move into the bus bay, traffic can emerge from Heaton Avenue into the extended bus bay which then would operate as a slip lane for transition, firstly into the transit lane, and then into the centre lane.

    cambridge58 asked 11 months ago

    Hi cambridge58

    The aim of the indented bus bay is to allow buses that are not stopping at the Heaton Avenue stop, including the B-Line, to not be impacted by stopping buses. Similarly, buses are impacted by cars turning into Manly Road at a lower speed, and then merging out of T3. 

    Alternative options, including leaving Heaton Avenue open and installing the indent at the proposed location or somewhere else, are being consdiered as reviews continue.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi i'm Lucy and i am a resident of Clontarf and I use Heaton avenue every day to go to school and it would make a massive difference if I could not continue using that route to go to school. To get to school on time with out Heaton avenue i would have to leave at least half an hour earlier this would impact my family and my education. I am really trying to understand how on earth this fix this so called "congestion" because in my eyes it would make worse traffic in local areas and on manly Rd and Spit Hill so if you could explain how this would help it world be greatly appreciated also if you could also consider all the people you are disruption thank you Lucy

    Lucy asked 11 months ago

    Hi Lucy

    Thanks for your comments.

    The proposal to close Heaton Avenue and build a new bus bay will eliminate the two major causes of congestion on Manly Road. Bus bays would allow an uninterrupted passage for express buses by creating space for stopping buses to pick up customers. 

    Turning from Manly Road to Heaton Avenue causes congestion as commuters who aren’t T3 need to merge from the kerbside lane.

    The project team is continuing to review and consider feedback and the impacts of the proposal. To proceed, the proposal would also have to go through a formal planning process involving the public display of environmental documentation and subsequent review.

    ~ Neil

  • I am a resident of Peronne Avenue and In have to say I am astounded, firstly that we have not been personally notified of the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue - why did I have to hear about it from a colleague that lives in Seaforth - and secondly am even more astounded that you are even considering such an absurd proposition - has anyone considered the local residents and what it will do to our already horrendous commute. I would like to formally object to this. Accessing Spit Hill by Heaton Avenue is the only realistic way we have - I already leave home before 6.30am to try to avoid congestion joining Spit Hill - this closure would mean adding a further half hour detour through Seaforth. The bus does not even stop to allow access to local residents. Why don't you look at some sensible solution such as a proper merging lane / more realistic room to merge . very very concerned at the stupidity and short-sightedness of this proposal..

    JaneSkrastin asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jane

    Your objection is noted. The project team is continuing to review feedback and alternative options to inform the environmental assessment phase.

    The distribution area for future updates has been extended and will include the entire area south of Sydney Road. You will also receive email updates about consultation events and decisions about the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • Hello, like many of the people on this website, I too am extremely concerned by this proposal. I am a clontarf resident. I would like to understand how the proposal improves commuter safety (I was not aware that commuters were at any greater risk at Heaton avenue than at any other busy road in the area). I question whether this is in fact reality. We need to accept that Sydney is a busy city and we all share the roads. There are no silver bullets for anybody - be they drivers, bus commuters, pedestrians, cyclists etc. With this in mind, we all need to compromise. "Compromise" does not mean that you punish one section of the community (i.e. clontarf and balgowlah heights motorists) by delivering a materially worse commuting outcome than what is currently the case for what are questionable benefits for another section of the community. My proposal for the B-line on Heaton Avenue is that we leave the road exactly as is (in the absence of more radical transport solutions for the Northern Beaches). Anything else is really just "rearranging the deck chairs" and shifts traffic problems elsewhere. If you wanted to create a real alternative to using the roads in the area, then a clontarf ferry in to circular quay would be a great way of getting people out of cars, reduce the reliance on buses and generally make residents much happier. I fear though that this kind of idea will not see the light of day in my lifetime.

    Peter F asked 11 months ago

    Thanks Peter

    Your suggestion to continue with the existing situation is one of the alternatives to the proposal which is being considered.

    The comment about ferries has been raised by a few people and escalated within TfNSW for further discussion.

    ~ Neil

  • I am a resident of Clontarf and use Heaton Avenue daily to access Spit Hill. I don't agree with this proposed change. This would add on 30-45 minutes for the daily commute. Sydney Road is bad enough already, if you add in everyone that uses Heaton Avenue it will be bumper to bumper down to Manly. I echo the thoughts of many below that are directly affected by this. Regards James of Alma Street.

    James - Clontarf Resident asked 11 months ago

    Hi James

    Your comments are noted, and will be published on the website.

    ~ Neil

  • Thank you for taking the time to hear my concerns. It is not a question, I am writing to you to bring awareness of me and my family of 8's concerns regarding closing Heaton Avenue as an access point to Manly Road. My experience with Heaton Avenue and the surrounding area. I previously lived on Peronne Avenue for 13 years and continuously had traffic building up past my house, located down the bottom of the hill, closer to the park. I am highly aware that this traffic was to turn onto Manly road, being the best option for my neighbours and people in the surrounding area. This also made me highly aware of just how important it is to so many people as a point of access. I also was living in Peronne Avenue when I was getting a bus to school each day that required crossing the spit bridge. I would get picked up each morning on the 770 from my street, on a bus that serviced the local area's were kids were not in walking distance to a main bus stop to get to school. This bus, every school day would use the Heaton Avenue entrance to Manly Road. Noting the number of school kids on that bus, I can imagine that there would be similar numbers today that this would cause issues for in terms of the bus line stopping and struggling to find alternative routes to get to school. I now have moved over to Seaforth Crescent for the last 3 years and I require to go up through Seaforth round-a-bout, past the shops and turn right onto Manly Road on my way to work 5-6 days a week. Sometimes it takes me up to 20mins just to make it less then 1.5km from my house to the round-a-bout due to traffic and congestion. The other days that this doesn't happen I consider it to be a 'small win' - These are the days when I make it to Seaforth shops before I get stopped for up to 8 sets of traffic lights and up to another 20mins trying to turn right onto Manly Road. The days when it is banked up before the round-a-bout have taken me close to 40mins just to get to Manly Road. My concern is that school kids, people travelling to work from the Balgowlah heights and Clontarf area, as well as all surrounding trafffic entering Manly Road from Seaforth, Wakhurst Parkway, Manly Vale and Manly will be affected by the traffic that usually flows from Heaton avenue as there is safe opportunities in the flow of traffic - will now join the people coming from those area, causing more congestion at the round-a-bout as people will now need to drive down Ethel St, and also congestion and the slow, poorly flowing lights at the top of manly rd. I could suggest alternative options that the transit lane begins at the bottom of the hill near the bridge and the road from Heaton Ave down is turned into a transition lane where people can use the flow of traffic to merge more smoothly with out the pressure of getting out of the transit lane immediately. My second suggestion would be to make the proposed indented bus bay into more of a pick up loop that goes in above the existing bus stop, picks people up behind the exisiting bus stop and joins the traffic in Heaton Ave to loop back onto Manly Rd. And finally, I would suggest a slip lane that directs Heaton avenue down the hill along side the traffic allowing cars to merge easier with the flow of traffic. Thank you for your time, I hope these brief notes of concerns and suggestions, along with that of many others, is put towards a better solution that can benefit everyone in the surrounding areas, not just the bus line. Regards, Bella

    Bella asked 11 months ago

    Thanks Bella, your suggestions are being included in alternative options discussions as the project team continues to review the proposal to close Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Neil

  • This is a comment, not a question. I live in Heaton Avenue and have done so, happily, for 19 years. Like some of the posters on the website I too did not receive a Seaforth Update and was only alerted to the issue by a concerned neighbour. You might want to enquire where exactly your 4,300 fliers were delivered to. Living in Heaton Avenue which consists of only 12 houses is irksome in the morning peak hour with cars lined up outside our house from 6:45 am ~ 8:15 am in order to join Manly Road, but I too drive to work in the City and am understanding and accepting of the needs of others to access the most convenient and shortest route to their destinations, so the minor inconvenience to me is simply accepted. As far as I can make out, your rationale and explanation for the ‘Armageddon Solution’, of the complete closure of Heaton Avenue at Manly Road is because it otherwise ‘creates congestion and safety issues’. Having lived here for many years the instances of collisions or other safety issues that attend cars and motorbikes and bicycles entering Manly Road from Heaton Avenue are caused outside of peak hour traffic and invariably when it is dark; during the morning peak hour cars and buses in the T3 lane are generally courteous, allow entry to cars accessing Manly Road and travel at a modest speed. As for your assertion of ‘congestion’ as cars are forced to queue before merging with the centre lane, that is simply bunkum. The cars entering from Heaton Avenue are either bona fide T3 users and maintain that lane or are able to merge with the centre lane during the 100 metre mandated merge rule or at most will have successfully merged by Avona Crescent. If you want to identify congestion then it’s time to count the vehicles at Spit Bridge and between the bridge and Parriwee Road, and then up Spit Hill, that’s where the congestion is, not at Manly Road between Heaton and Avona. If you succeed in your madcap plan to close Heaton Avenue where is the traffic that now uses that route to go? There is not a single strategy that you have offered in any of your Updates that deals with the need for the existing Heaton Avenue traffic to find another route to access the south bound Manly Road, nothing. Let’s try getting there via Ethel Street and the Seaforth Roundabout. Have you any traffic statistics that refers to the current congestion at that location during the morning peak hour? And all you will be doing is adding to that build-up. If I manage to navigate through that blockage and get to the lights at the junction of Manly and Sydney Roads what assistance are you providing us commuters at that location? There is a proposed extended right turn lane from Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation into Sydney Road – no help here. What about the new left turn lane from Sydney Road into Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation – nah that’s going north. How about the Upgrade to the existing left turn lane into Sydney Road – no use to me that goes to Manly and a thousand miles from care(less). There is nothing that you intend to carry out at the so-called Intersection Upgrade that assists the displaced Heaton Avenue commuters get to the City, nothing, no suggestions, no assistance, nadda, zilch. That clearly isn’t going to work, is it? I will be fervently objecting to this ill-conceived proposal.

    Omphalos asked 11 months ago

    Hi Omphalos

    Your comments are noted.

    ~ Neil


  • I agree with all comments. I have been using the Heaton Rd exit for 25 years and am sure that congestion would only get worse as a result of road closure. My suggestion is to allow free flow traffic at the bottom of Spit Hill by keeping the lights permanently green in peak hour. These traffic lights are a main cause of delays in this area.

    Valerie asked 11 months ago

    Hi Valerie,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    The proposed indented bus bay is being constructed so local bus services are able to pull off the main corridor to allow traffic (including B-Line buses and Express services) to free flow down Manly Road.

    Road improvements, traffic signal infrastructure and signage are also planned as part of the B-Line project for the Seaforth area.

    I would like to advise you that there are several alternatives to closing Heaton Avenue that are being considered and will form part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions and further consultation will be entered into when the REF goes on public display. This will be an opportunity to review the options the B-Line Project team are presenting.

    ~ Melanie

  • Have you modelled the impact of just removing the bus stop at Heaton Road? buzzer asked , 15 days ago Hi buzzer Removing the bus stop would improve existing congestion caused by buses stopping at the existing ‘in lane’ bus stop. The proposed indent will also rectify this issue. Other congestion issues caused by vehicles turning from Heaton Avenue would not be resolved with the removal of the bus stop. With the present conditions, congestion is created when turning vehicles enter the existing kerbside bus and T3 lane and are forced to queue before merging into the second lane. This causes significant delays to vehicles in the bus and T3 Lane behind. Neil, As already pointed out. The reason most people slow down when entering the T3 lane is because they are concerned about the police pulling them in for travelling in a T3 lane, why don't you extend the merge distance down to the Spit Bridge or even the other side of it and then there would be no need for traffic to slow down and merge they could go at the same speed as the buses, hence no hold up. Next remove the bus stop at Heaton Ave, and the new B-Line would have a un-impeded run. Furhermore you could try this first at very little cost to see if it works and if it does you would avoid the impacts of the current Heaton Ave traffic trying to use alternative routes which will conjest them even more than they are already.

    buzzer asked 11 months ago

    Hi Buzzer

    Thanks for your suggestion, the removal of the stop and extension of distances to merge are being considered.

    ~ Neil


  • I live in Cutler road and commute by car across the city to Marrickville each day. I agree with all the points raised by Anna below and strongly request that the proposal to close Heaton Ave is not approved. This is for the obvious reason that the closure of Heaton Ave will result in drastically increasing the already over congested access roads leading onto Manly road, in particular the Seaforth roundabout and traffic travelling from along Sydney road to turn right into Manly road toward the Spit Bridge. The intersection upgrade proposals will not solve the added traffic load in this area due to the closure of Heaton Ave as 3 of the 4 proposals will provide minimal relief for any south bound traffic in the mornings and by extending the westbound through lane on Sydney road is a band aid approach to resolving the traffic flows for this area. The proposed road closure of Heaton Ave says it is to reduce congestion on the transit lane heading south bound over the Spit Bridge however I would argue this is incorrect as most morning the transit lane appears to be moving efficiently over the Bridge and up the hill towards Spit Junction. Widening the exit at Heaton Ave to provide a proper slip lane so that it is easier to merge into the bus lane to speed up the rate of merging and flow and designating the Bus Lane from Heaton Ave to the bottom of the hill as a transition lane so people have more time to merge similar to the Harbour Bridge would improve any delays or congestion from merging traffic. I also have not received any information regarding the closure of Heaton Ave or Seaforth updates. Please use commonsense and do not proceed with the proposal to close Heaton Ave. Sandy from Clontarf

    Sandy from Clontarf asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sandy

    Your comments are noted and the suggestion relating to changing the configuration at Heaton Avenue is one of many alternative measures being considered.

    The distribution list has been extended for future newsletters, and will include all of Cutler Road. You will also be notified of upcoming consultation events via email.

    ~ Neil


  • I am also a resident of Balgowlah Heights and use Heaton Ave every morning to commute to work by car. This proposal makes no sense. There are very limited paths available for commuters to exit Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights, and Clontarf, and they are ALL already heavily congested during morning peak hours. Closing Heaton Ave will only push a significant volume of traffic onto already congested other exit Options. ALL the traffic will still end up on Manly Rd anyway after everyone from Heaton Ave has to go all the way around, and the problem on Manly Road will still exist. Surely the appropriately qualified and experience traffic engineers who are modelling possible solutions to this problem on manly Road can come up with other alternatives besides closing Heaton Ave, such as the suggestions already provided by fellow concerned commuters in the trail of notices below. Whoever proposed to close off Heaton Ave has absolutely no idea of local peak hour traffic flows around this area. Just standing there one morning would give them a full picture of the impact to local resident commuters that closing Heaton Ave would have. I have every confidence that an alternative viable solution can be achieved if the authorities put a bit of thought into it and take into consideration that many hundreds of local commuters would be severely impacted if Heaton Ave were to be closed off.

    Nestor D. asked 11 months ago

    Hi Nestor

    Impacts to drivers diverted due to the proposed closure are continuing to be assessed, as well as alternative options. Assessments of where users of Heaton Avenue start their journeys have also been conducted.

    ~ Neil

  • I am a Clontarf resident and have a comment and two questions. COMMENT: The picture above attempts to show that "An upgrade of the intersection of Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation, Manly Road and Sydney Road is also proposed to improve overall traffic flow in this area and cater for the increase in traffic". I live on Cutler Road and it is difficult to see how the 5 proposed improvements help mitigate the extreme impact of the Heaton Avenue closure to residents of the Clontarf/Balgowlah/Balgowlah Heights area (Let's call this the Clontarf Zone) and their ability to have efficient and fair access to the City/North Sydney/St Leonards (high commercial/employment areas - The Commercial Zones). 1 - New left turn lane into Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation (no positive impact to Clontarf Zone heading to Commercial Zones) 2 - Extend right turn lane into Sydney Road (no positive impact to Clontarf Zone heading to Commercial Zones) 3 - Upgrade existing left turn lane in Sydney Road (no positive impact to Clontarf Zone heading to Commercial Zones) 4 - Extend Westbound through lane on Sydney Road (could have very small positive impact to all traffic heading to Commercial Zones from Sydney Road) 5 - Extend right turn lane into Sydney Road (no positive impact to Clontarf Zone heading to Commercial Zones but could have some positive impact to returning traffic, although this is unrelated to Heaton Avenue question) QUESTION ONE: Given that there is no convenient BLIne bus stop or clear positive road changes identified to effectively mitigate the closure of Heaton Avenue, what are the other options that NSW Government and the BLine project team have evaluated in regards to the Heaton Avenue proposal? QUESTION TWO: Can you please share the evaluation criteria and process undertaken for the decision regarding this proposal? Regards Sean O'Halloran

    sdpoh asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sean

    Your comments are noted. The changes to the intersection are proposed to help traffic flow recognised the increased volume if Heaton Avenue access was to be closed/restricted.

    Express and all-stop services are expected to continue from the Heaton Avnue and Sydney Road stops.

    Evaluation criteria and modelling will be made publicly available with the release of environmental documentation.

    ~ Neil

  • This is a flawed and poorly considered proposal. It will be a major inconvenience to thousands of people every day and will divert more traffic onto other already congested streets. It will not improve the speed/flow of the transit/bus lane. Traffic delayed due to buses stopping at the bus stop catch up to the traffic usually before the speed camera on Spit Road. The traffic speed/flow problem is caused by illegal transit/ bus lane users and the failure to enforce the law. Have you considered forcing a merge like a zipper rule allowing people to merge into the non bus/transit lane? Have you considered removing all cars off all roads so that the buses have a clear run? Have you considered removing the transit lane status and changing it to bus lane only in the AM? How many people use the Heaton exit during morning peak Hours? How many people use it at all other times of the day? Have you considered a peak hour only closure? Have you considered a bus lane camera? Have you considered lane enforcement? I live in Clontarf, south of Amiens Road, please confirm I am now on the mailing list to recieve all updates by email and why you you excluded Clontarf/ my street from your letterbox drop

    davidinclontarf asked 11 months ago

    Hi David,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    The B-Line project team have considered a variety of options as part of road upgrades in the Manly Rd to Spit area.

    All feedback received from the community and alternative options will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • I am a local resident in Balgowlah and the closure of Heaton Avenue will have a big impact on my daily commute for work. I brought into the area 3 years ago mainly due to the ability to improve on my daily commute and with this decision it would disappointingly mean it was not worth the move. It seems both the local and state government have forgotten and/or take for granted the long standing support they have received from the local residents on the Northern beaches, one for which I have supported for close to 20 years. Decisions like this mean next time around my support would go elsewhere as I am tired of the disruption decisions like this they are making impact my life negatively. Surely there are other options for example widening the road at Heaton avenue to allow a proper slip lane for merging traffic or making the lane a transition lane for local residents that wouldn't impact the bus route travel? Why should local residents from Balgowlah, Balgowlah heights, Manly, Fairlight and Clontarf to name a few all be disadvantaged when other viable solutions are possible? Thanks Paul

    Paul Petherbridge asked 11 months ago

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    We are working closely with local government to ensure the best possible outcome for the bus commuters of the Northern Beaches.

    All feedback received from the community (including non-bus commuters) will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • As a current resident of Seaforth and former resident of Balgowlah Heights, who drives across Spit bridge and back every day to work, and multiple times at the weekend via Heaton Avenue, I would like to express my strong objection to the closure of Heaton Avenue. I completely support consideration of options to improve traffic from the Northern Beaches across the Spit, but this option will significantly and negatively impact the travel times of those living in BH, Clontarf and Seaforth. It will force hundreds of cars through the already dreadfully congested Seaforth junction and the proposals above to improve it will not impact those extra cars at all - since none of the displaced cars will be approaching Seaforth junction from the north or south (which is where the improvements are aimed). Instead there will be hundreds of extra cars coming from Manly and Seaforth directions. Already in rush hour the tail back of cars stretches to Seaforth roundabout and beyond. Could you please make public the other options that you considered and rejected for solving this issue? I would suggest that there are several alternative things that could be done to improve the merging of Heaton Road traffic into the permissible lanes that do not necessitate closing Heaton Avenue: such as giving us more time to merge by making the section to the bridge a 'transition lane', signs to encourage drivers to let us merge (so many refuse to let us in, forcing us to stop and wait in the bus lane), widen the Heaton Avenue exit so we have a proper slip road onto spit road, enlarge the bus stop above Heaton Avenue (rather than below). Have you considered testing some of these easier to implement changes before moving to a drastic decision like closing the road? The first two suggestions above for example are small and easy to test whether they have any impact. Alternatively, I'm sure the impact could be modelled. Angela Morris

    Angela Morris asked 11 months ago

    Hi Angela,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of objection and feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Your objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    All feedback received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions will be held to formally display the current REF which will acknowledge community response & discuss alternative suggestions.

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • I am not an immediate resident of the Seaforth/Clontarf area, however this closure will cause me and other neighbouring residents of Manly countless issues in our commute to the city daily. Redirecting all of the current traffic that passes through Heaton Avenue would force these commuters to drive through Sydney road and back up the traffic there even more. I understand your concern about the merging of cars from Heaton Avenue on Manly Road, however I believe personally that you have greatly exaggerated the problems that this causes. I drive this route daily and can say that on the average day, it only causes a minute of delay for us commuters. The closure of Heaton Avenue would cause delays that would make any problems currently on Manly Road seem abysmal. Please reconsider.

    bcalipo asked 11 months ago

    Hi bcalipo,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original messages. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    All the feedback we have received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions will be held to formally display the current REF and acknowledge community response including your specific concerns outlining local congestion.

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie


  • The closure if Heaton Ave at Manly Road will cause enormous inconvenience to Clontarf residents as this provides the only access to manly road from this area. One of the remaining accesses is via Seaforth which is already choked up. Is it possible to have the bus indent south if proposed area to still enable access? Is there a proposal to fix up seaforth roundabout to improve traffic flows there

    Roger asked 11 months ago

    Hi Roger,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Intersection upgrades at Sydney Rd and Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation are being planned to improve traffic flow which will feed back to the Seaforth roundabout.

    All the feedback we have received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • I support the idea of a deeper bus bay to allow busses to pass other busses in the stop. However not a the expense of closing Heaton Avenue. This is the only access out Clontarf and Balgowlah other than the intersection at Sydney Road and Burnt Creek Deviation which is already choked. Putting all the traffic into other streets will only worsen the problem. Why not move the bus bay further up hill? These are all short term band aids for what is really needed - a third artery from the Northern Beaches into the city. A third artery would fix the Military Road and Warringa Road chaos.

    Rob asked 11 months ago

    Hi Rob,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    All the feedback we have received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Community information sessions will be held to formally display the current REF and acknowledge community response.

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • Currently Heaton Avenue acts as a relief to the bottle neck that is Sydney Road and Seaforth traffic lights. To close this will only move these commuters to already overly congested access points. This will not relieve traffic it will only add more pressure to just 2x access points to Spit bridge for Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights residents. If this access is to close then alternate access points currently not available must be opened.

    J asked 11 months ago

    Hi J,

    Thank you for your feedback.

    There is no consideration to opening the left hand turn from Coral St onto Sydney Rd, currently restricted during peak hours. This falls under local government jurisdiction.

    Left hand turns onto Sydney Rd can still be made from Maretimo, Wanganella and West St and intersection upgrades at Sydney Rd and Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation will mitigate additional traffic coming up Sydney Rd from these access points.

    Please note that all feedback received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • Why close Heaton Avenue? I have read the answers to other submissions, but they don't resolve this issue, just try to divert the reality. All this will do, as well documented by others, is to increase congestion elsewhere. It will adversely affect the resident of adjoining suburbs and those who transit through them. The bus bay can still be built with some extra thought, but frankly, not many buses stop there in peak hour. Why not make the Bus/Transit Lane a cross over lane like on the Harbour Bridge approaches? This would allow for a better merging of traffic. I also see that there are proposals to improve the junction at Sydney Road, but this will not really assist as there will still be only three southbound lanes after that point. This proposal does nothing for anyone other than the buses and in fact makes their life worse.

    Peter Hopkins asked 11 months ago

    Hi Peter,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Further to the intersection upgrade at Sydney Road & Burnt Bay Bridge Deviation, bus indents and road improvements have been planned for the Spit and Military Road corridor as part of the B-Line project which will further ease congestion down Manly Rd. 

    All feedback received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    There will be ongoing community consultation which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • In line with many other contributors to this debate I would like to add my STRONG OBJECTION to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue to traffic. As has been covered by many others the result of this action would be to push significant amounts of additional traffic onto the Sydney Road from either side of the Burnt Bridge Creek intersection. This will be additional traffic through residential streets in both Balgowlah Heights and Seaforth where, at peak hour, there are many children either walking to local schools or waiting for the numerous school buses that pick up from these locations. Much of this traffic will also be forced pass Balgowlah Boys High. I would think that the increased safety risks from this traffic load would outweigh any benefits from the Heaton Avenue junction closure. In additions, in many of your responses to comment you highlight the proposed changes at the Burnt Bridge Deviation to improve traffic flow. From what I can see on this web site these changes will improve flow in most directions EXCEPT for traffic looking to turn down towards the Spit from either Manly or Seaforth. Given that any closure of Heaton avenue will add significant pressure at these points this seems to be illogical.

    Mark asked 11 months ago

    Hi Mark,

    Thank you for your feedback. Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of objection and feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Your objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    All feedback received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    Your concerns surrounding increased traffic congestion and pedestrian safety will be acknowledged as part of ongoing community consultation and will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • Hi there. Let me register my extreme objection to this proposed road closure. Might have made sense in a boardroom meeting sometime/somewhere but it'll cause mayhem through Seaforth/Balgowlah. This is a joke right? Max

    maxdigital asked 11 months ago

    Hi Max,

    Apologies it has taken so long to respond to your original message. As evidence on the website, there has been a lot of objection and feedback received in relation to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Your objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    All feedback received from the community will be considered as part of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    The B-Line Project team plans to formally acknowledge and address the community’s concerns as part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • Would you please publish on this website page answers to the following questions. 1. During an average non-school holiday weekday morning peak (please specify the time of that peak), how many south-bound vehicles currently enter Manly Rd from the Sydney Rd intersection? 2. How many of the vehicles in the answer to question 1 are STA buses? 3. How many vehicles currently enter Manly Rd from Heaton Ave in the morning peak (on average, weekdays and non-school holidays)? 4. After full implementation of the B-line, how many south-bound vehicles do you anticipate entering Manly Rd from the Sydney Rd intersection in the morning peak (on average, weekdays and non-school holidays)? 5. Of those vehicles in the answer to question 4, how many will be STA buses and how many of those STA buses will be B-line buses?

    Graham asked 11 months ago

    Hi Graham,

    Thank you for your interest in B-Line and the implications regarding traffic currently using the intersection at Sydney Rd, Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation and Manly Road.

    Traffic modelling and studies have to-date included both computer modelling, on-site data collection and visual investigations.

    The results of this modelling will be available as part of the environmental assessment documents (Review of Environmental Factors or REF) which will be on public display before a final determination is made.

    ~ Melanie

  • Sirs, I am resident at 5 Linkmead Avenue and write to object to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue Access to Spit Hill. I use this access on a daily basis for my commute to work as it is the closest and shortest route to cross the spit bridge on my way to work. I use this access daily between 6:20 and 7:00am and can see no value in the proposals in terms of traffic flow. This time is peak commuter time and to route everything via Ethel Street Seaforth would add time and distance to my journey. The roundabout in Seaforth is already congested at peak times and this would make things considerably worse. My observation/questions are: 1. Heaton Avenue is a public road: no special rights are conferred on bus companies - the rights of other road users and tax payers will be adversely affected by this proposal : has B-line consulted with the relevant legal authorities regarding the constitutional rights of other users, in particular the rights of local residents to freely enjoy their properties variously purchased/ leased with the current access in place/ 2. Traffic joining from Heaton Ave has limited/marginal impact on flow in the kerbside bus lane. There is far more unauthorised traffic in this lane far before Heaton Avenue : Why not police this more regularly? 3. What about building a slip lane? 4. Have other studies been conducted regarding restrictions at limited times? Regards, David White I vote STOP. David White 5 Linkmead Avenue

    David White asked 11 months ago

    Hi David,

    Thank you for your feedback. Your objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue has been noted.

    The B-Line bus service is a NSW Government initiative aimed to provide a more frequent and reliable bus service between the Northern Beaches and Sydney's CBD.

    Issues raised from the local community will be considered as part of the development of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF).

    The REF will address the concerns regarding local congestion in surrounding streets and pedestrian safety as a result of closing Heaton Avenue.

    Your contact email has been added to our distribution list, so you will receive future notification for public consultation.

    ~ Melanie

  • Are you trying to solve for the merging of traffic out of Heaton Ave or for people hopping on the bus at this stop? From my perspective there are limited number of people who use this stop or have alternative stops they can use nearby so I am assuming you are solving for merging traffic - for which I'm sure there are better solutions than simply forcing residents to add to the traffic chaos that already exists on Sydney Rd. I reiterate the notes below that consultation has been woeful as we also have not received any notification of the intended closure.

    Paul G asked 11 months ago

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for your feedback. We apologise that you did not received direct notification of the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue.

    Your email has been added to our distribution list for future correspondence in relation to this matter.

    The indented bus bay, combined with the restrictions to traffic from Heaton Avenue to Manly Road, would maximise bus time savings.

    The environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF) will address the community’s concerns of congestion in surrounding streets and pedestrian safety as a result of closing Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Melanie


  • Melanie, Could you let me know the timetable for the release of the relevant REF, the proposed Information Sessions at Stocklands in Balgowlah as well as the planned Communication Engagement Forums at the Manly Golf Club and Balgowlah RSL. Terry

    Terry asked 11 months ago

    Hi Terry,

    We have not confirmed dates for information sessions at this stage. 

    When we have firm dates, times and venues, we will be publishing this information via the website, Manly Daily, letter box drops and email list.

    Your email has been recorded and you should receive this information when we know more.

    ~ Melanie

  • The closure of Heaton Ave will cause nothing but chaos! Travel times for commuters will increase to at least another 20 minutes. There will be added congestion to the already congested entries to Spit Rd from Seaforth and Balgowlah. Residents from Clontarf and Balgowlah may be forced to drive past 3 schools putting children's lives at risk. Seaforth residents already have a hard enogh time getting through the roundabout with all the traffic. Heaton Ave will become a car park and how will all those cars get out of there? More chaos and congestion up the narrow streets of Balgowlah? I still can't see how closing the street will improve bus times as you will still have busses stopping just down the road. There needs to be alot more research and for planners to look at the bigger picture. Closing Heaton Ave is NOT the answer.

    Lisa asked 11 months ago

    Hi Lisa

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Your concern regarding added congestion to Seaforth and Balgowlah has been acknowledged, as well as pedestrian safety around local schools, and will assist development of the environmental impact assessment (known as a Review of Environmental Factors or REF) for the proposed changes in Seaforth. 

    I will add you to our distribution list to ensure you receive future communications including newsletters and project updates.

    ~ Melanie

  • Hello, I am reading an hearing a few things, and would appreciate clarification. 1. Will the T3 lane from Seaforth all the way to Nth Sydney be gone? We are a family of 6, with all 4 children at school (2 are young). If the T3 goes, how do families with young children get to school or work if they are across the Spit bridge? Surely we can't all be expected to catch a bus - that is cost ineffective and in fact more burdensome on the public bus system. Clontarf, Balgowlah etc are "family" friendly areas. Many of us NEED the T3 to live our day to day lives (in the context of the commute). 2. Why close Heaton? What you should do is prevent morning traffic from turning from Kanangra to Heaton. Alleviate that traffic load. If you close Heaton, you hurt and inconvenience many, many families.

    RocketG asked 11 months ago

    Hi RocketG

    We have received a large number of objections to the closure of Heaton Avenue which will be considered as part of the development of the Review of Environmental Factors report.

    Concerns regarding local traffic congestion and T3 usage will also be reviewed as part of this process. The B-Line service is expected to improve bus travel for existing customers.

    The B-Line Project team plans to formally acknowledge community’s feedback which will form part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • The closure of Heaton Ave is going to be a diaster for the residents of Balgowlah, Seaforth and Clontarf and likely impact those further afield in North Balgowlah, Manly and Fairlight. I would be concerned if I were the local member making things much worse for these residents. The closure will force everyone onto the Sydney Rd intersection, where it is noted that there is no increase in capacity planned for the left turn down to the Spit when coming from Manly, or the right turn from Seaforth on the other side. Queuing at this intersection is already horrendous, I can't imagine the total gridlock that will happen if Heaton Ave traffic is diverted. I would anticpate at least 30 mins delay to a trip for everyone that already takes close to 1 hour into the city. Furthermore there are buses that come down Ethel St (E71 plus school buses) that will be severely delayed as there is no way through if this is congested. This is clear progress for the northern beaches! There is a clear answer here which is to create a bus stop at Heaton Ave as planned (moved slightly up the hill) but keep Heaton Ave open. The new indented bus stop could actually help people exiting Heaton Ave, whilst not holding up the B-Line. Any regular user of the Heaton Ave exit will tell you that the bustop does not actually get used much and does not really cause any delays that cannot be recovered quickly, before hitting the main congestion caused by Spit Junction or the lights at Parriwi Rd. Alternatively, don't provide a regular bustop here in peak hours.

    Peter Bailey asked 11 months ago

    Hi Peter,

    Thank you for your feedback. 

    We have received a large number of objections to the closure of Heaton Avenue which will be considered as part of the development of the Review of Environmental Factors report.

    Congestion north of the Spit Bridge is also being taken into consideration. 

    Previous responses to other comments on this page have addressed some of the issues you have highlighted in your feedback, and the B-Line Project team plans to formally acknowledge and address the community’s concerns as part of the final determination.

    ~ Melanie

  • I have a 2nd concern and that is getting home to my place from the Northern Beaches side. Currently I go down Manly Rd and turn left at Heaton Street. If Heaton Street is closed, then I have to turn right at Seaforth intersection (which takes a long time with the lights) and go through the Seaforth roundabout, down Kanangra Cres (which is narrow and already hard to get through. Or I would have to turn left at Seaforth intersection into Sydney Rd and then try to turn right somewhere, going down Beatrice street, which is generally a one-way street for some of the length when cars are parked on both sides. So this closure of Heaton Street practically makes me a prisoner in my suburb. Why can’t we have an indented bus bay, but also leave Heaton Street open?

    jghodder asked 11 months ago

    Hi jghodder

    It is recognised that residents who currently use Heaton Avenue would need to use alternatives to enter/exit the area. The indented bus bay, combined with the restrictions to traffic from Heaton Avenue to Manly Road, would maximise bus time savings.

    ~ Neil

  • I concur with the comments below. As a Seaforth resident who has been using the Heaton Ave exit for 25 years between 5-10 times a week, I can assure you that the B-Line proposal for Heaton Ave will only make the traffic and congestion worse, not better. The Seaforth Roundabout and the Seaforth/Manly Road intersection are both gridlocked much of the time each morning and the Heaton Ave exit provides a necessary traffic congestion reduction. Closing the Heaton Ave exit it will only guarantee longer travel time to the City, at greater cost to the community in fuel costs, pollution, accidents, and delays. The comments of those who actually live there and drive around there every day should be preferenced over designers sitting in front of computers working on theoretical modelling, whilst having no real-world hands-on day-to-day experience of the traffic flow in that area. The proposal to close the Heaton Ave exit is a regressive step, and, with respect, should be abandoned. Regards, Anthony P.

    Anthony P asked 11 months ago

    Hi Anthony P

    Traffic modelling and studies have to-date included both computer modelling, on-site data collection and visual investigations. More information about modelling would be provided in environmental documents when on public display.

    ~ Neil 

  • The proposed closing of Heaton Street is an ill-conceived idea for residents in this area. I live in Sandy Bay and every time I go through Seaforth intersection it is already congested. You are held up by those lights up there all the time. With even more traffic in the Seaforth shops, it will get worse. Extending the lanes will not help with the flow going right, nor the timing of the lights. None of the changes that have been proposed will help the residents our area, in fact you are making it worse. To get across the Spit Bridge, I would now have to go up to the very crowded Seaforth roundabout and then crawl through the Seaforth shops to turn right. This would take a lot longer, especially with more cars taking that route. Cars will be travelling though our very narrow roads trying to get to the major road, making it dangerous for all. Beatrice Street (my only other alternative to getting across the Spit Bridge) is an example of this. Already, even in the middle of the day, it is hard getting up this road. If cars are parked on either side, the road is reduced to one lane and busses have difficulty getting through. Very few buses stop at the Heaton St bus stop, those that do are overcrowded and there is little parking. Our nearest B-line stop is at Manly Vale. There is a bus stop further down Manly Rd and all the way into the city through Mosman. If buses stop there, they hold up the traffic. By closing off Heaton St, it will not make a lot of difference to the bus commuters, but it will cause total chaos to our area. If the government is serious, why not investigate putting in a bay just before Heaton Street without closing Heaton Street? And creating an overpass/tunnel at the Seaforth intersection? That would help all! Lastly no consideration has been made to improve the traffic bottlenecking at Mosman. It is not the Spit Bridge area that is holding up the traffic. DO NOT CLOSE HEATON STREET, PLEASE.

    Julie H asked 11 months ago

    Hi Julie H

    Spit Junction is also recognised as a source of congestion across the corridor, and a range of measures including the construction of a bus indent, road widening and road closures are being considered. Military Road will also be improved.

    Proposed intersection improvements at Manly & Sydney Roads will help to mitigate the additional traffic demand. 

    Closing Heaton Avenue and creating a new bus indent will maximise the bus time savings. An underpass or tunnel at Seaforth is not part of the current proposal. Initial funding for studies around a new Spit Tunnel was provided in the latest State budget.

    ~ Neil

  • I am a Clontarf resident and was not provided with one of Seaforth Updates. I use Heaton Avenue every day and live on Cutler Road that runs into Heaton Avenue. The closure of Heaton Avenue will have a detrimental impact on all Clontarf residents who have a need to travel into the North Sydney or the city. There are many people like me who can only drive to their place of employment due to the lack of public transport connections outside the CBD, and this change and the planning response is not acceptable.The alternative is an over 1 km detour - every time - in particular in peak hours this will add to congestion at the roundabout in Seaforth or create additional traffic going past Balgowlah Boys High (until this access is also closed due to the lack of safety caused by the excess congestion caused by this proposal). At peak hour I can see this change resulting in an extra 20 minutes to my travel time every morning as I negotiate the choice of either turning into the congestion at the Seaforth roundabout or the the entrance to Sydney Road at Balgowlah Boys High. The response to previous comments does not address improved access at either of these points - just focussing on the main intersection which is another 100 metres from both of these choke points. To my mind the congestion and safety issues caused by traffic turning from Heaton Avenue is overstated. The primary cause of delay is stopping buses. Cars can only enter Manly Road when it is clear due to a stopped bus or otherwise and when traffic is slowed to a crawl and cars let in merging traffic from Heaton Avenue. Creating an indented bus bay will limit the access to when the traffic permits and the risk of cars stopping to get in the middle lane could be mitigated by allowing merging cars a greater distance to move into the middle lane. Needless to say, there is no point in doing any of this unless the bus stop near Avona Crescent is also dealt with. In addition how do we get on to the mailing list for future information sessions and consultation events. Requiring persons who will be directly affected to continue to check your website is an inadequate form of notice, in particular where it appears your initial mail drop did not include residents less than 200 metres from the Heaton Avenue/Manly Road intersection.

    Helen asked 11 months ago

    Hi Helen

    Apologies for not receiving the initial newsletter. We have expanded the distribution for future updates, and will also post information on the website and email community members who have contacted us. I will add you to this distribution list.

    The intersection improvements at Manly Road/Sydney Road aim to improve overall traffic flow at the intersection, considering the increased usage as a result of the proposal.

    To maximise bus time improvements, both the closure of Heaton Avenue and the indented bus bay are required. This is not proposed at Avona Crescent due to lower patronage and topographic constraints.

    ~ Neil

  • The closure of Heaton Avenue will only cause additional congestion at all the other entry points onto Sydney Road. It will also result in Clontarf, Balgowlah,and Balgowlah Heights residents who currently use Heaton Avenue having to travel a greater distance in their travel to work and add to their woes of having a much longer travel time due to all the congestion that will occur. It will mean additional cars travelling in all the affected school zones (Balgowlah Heights PS, Balgowlah BHS, St Cecilia's) and suburban areas thus giving rise to safety concerns for all the pedestrians on their way to school and work. Community consultation on this matter should be carried out properly as it will affect a great number people both directly and indirectly - we should not have to find out about this via a person's sign on the street pole!!! All the arguments given by previous respondents are good and valid. Please take note of all the points that have been raised - and reconsider leaving the route available to our community. Most of us have been using it for decades and it works well. Changing it will only cause massive problems and is a extremely short-sighted approach when trying to fix the Northern Beaches traffic woes. It will add to the woes, not help.

    lorrainel asked 11 months ago

    Hi lorrainel

    Consultation activities are scheduled to take place in November, and will provide an opportunity for community members to discuss the proposal with members of the project team.

    While the proposal would impact commuters forced to divert to Sydney Road, it would lead to substantial time savings for bus customers.

    Your comment about additional cars around school zones is also noted, and will be raised in feedback discussions about the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • I don't think the following issue has been contemplated in the exhibited questions so far. The cars exiting from Heaton Rd presently flow mainly when a bus actually stops at the bus stop on Manly Rd just north of Heaton Rd. Under the proposal, buses will presumably follow the traffic laws and indicate their intention to stop, slow their vehicle in order to stop and pull from the T3 lane into the indented bay. All these bus initiated actions will provide opportunity for cars to exit Heaton Ave just as they do currently. Presumably the buses exiting the indented bus bay will not magically reach traffic speed and be equally magically inserted into the T3 traffic flow - rather they will indicate and pull out into the traffic flow in the T3 lane with their usual level of courtesy and care and impact upon the traffic flow. This action will also provide (extended) opportunity for cars to exit Heaton avenue. Hence Heaton Ave can continue to function as effectively as it currently does with no significant impact on the T3 flow. Right. Is the bus stop a further 300m down Manly Rd at Avona Cres being closed? If not your T3 rapid flow hits its next point of congestion already. Deeming the Heaton ave closure concept pointless. Next, Parrawi rd lights are a great enabler of congestion, grinding the T3 lane to a halt north of Spit bridge, a mere 500m from Heaton Ave. Again deeming the Heaton Ave closure concept pointless. Spit hill of course is a car park, backing up from a long list of traffic lights and bus stops and inadequate infrastructure that will not improve regardless of the fantasy at Heaton Ave. So regardless of the ill-conceived efficiency gained at Heaton Ave all traffic will still be delayed just a short journey further along Manly Rd/Spit Rd. Is there really any value in expediting the rush to the next major congestion point only a short distance from causing this awful local traffic problem? I think not. Regards.

    conderl asked 11 months ago

    Hi conderl

    The time saving for buses from cars not turning and subsequently merging into the middle lane has been calculated as part of traffic modelling, which would be made publicly available if the proposal is progressed.

    An indent is currently not proposed at Avona Crescent due to the lower volume of bus customers and car users and the steep vegetated topography.

    ~ Neil

  • I am concerned that the authorities have already made up their minds as this stop is all about a B-line bus that we can't even catch (the B-Line bus doesn't stop at the new stop). Also I live in the 'supposed' letter drop zone and have received nothing (just like the straw poll of 10 other BHPS parents I asked yesterday). The entire Clontarf-Balg Hts peninsular will now be blocked in. The issue is that pushing those extra cars into streets already full will mean an exponential increase in congestion and travel times even if you are not going to the city. To the North: Seaforth Roundabout is a blockade that will see more cars from this proposal pushed into this gridlock... I'm sure glad I don't have to drive kids to Seaforth Public School anymore... while Maritimo, and Wanganella will also be blocked with traffic... making any escape straight through Wanganella difficult. Try going south and Condamine street is already a disaster as any combination of pedestrians or cars turning left/right onto Sydney road see a couple of sets of lights to get any cars across. If the issue is truly one passenger 'rat run' cars blocking the transit lane ... well make Heaton Ave T3 too... but don't totally block off one of the few ways of getting out of the Heights Peninsular... that is fast becoming a traffic island.

    Paul G asked 11 months ago

    Hi Paul

    In order to receive planning approval, environmental documentation would be required to be prepared and placed on public display for comment. If the proposal is progressed, this is likely to take place.

    An update on the proposal is planned to be distributed in November, and will be sent to a wider distribution network taking in the whole area south of Sydney Road and east of Manly Road.

    The T3 suggestion will be included as part of the ongoing review progress.

    ~ Neil


  • I have a question about the closure of Heaton Ave at Manly Rd - are you SERIOUS?! Are you really proposing to force all of the current traffic that accesses the Spit Bridge from there through the already ridiculously clogged Sydney Rd intersection? Yes, I can see that you're upgrading that intersection, but it won't be enough. It took almost 40 minutes to travel up Burnt Creek Deviation and get over Sydney Rd this morning. 40 minutes to travel less than 1km. You know why it took so long today? BECAUSE IT WAS A TUESDAY. And you're going to take away the local residents access to Spit Hill and add them to the mess at Sydney Rd? Come on guys. If you want to add in a bus bay, add it in immediately BEFORE Heaton, but please leave us with this additional access option to one of Sydney's worst bottlenecks.

    benlpride asked 11 months ago

    Hi benlpride

    The location of the bus bay and impacts to travel times for commuters diverted through to Sydney Road are being considered as we progress the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • I am concerned with the proposal to close Heaton Avenue for a number of reasons: * Safety concerns - loss of emergency vehicle access to Clontarf, bushland and BHPS * Worsening traffic and congestion along alternate access routes - Seaforth roundabout & Sydney Rd (via Wanganella St, Maretimo St and others) * Negative impact on child and pedestrian safety around Balgowlah Heights Shops, Beatrice St, Balgowlah Boys, St Cecilia's (from diverted Clontarf/ Balg Hts traffic) My questions: * Why are there no proposed upgrades to Burnt Bridge Creek/Sydney Rd intersection for traffic travelling south to the Spit, Mosman and City in the morning peak (prompting use of Heaton Ave).? * Have you completed a traffic study on this change and where can the results be viewed/ accessed? * Was this traffic study completed during a typical peak travel period (ie not in school holidays for example)? * What alternatives to closure have been considered? * Is there going to be a proper consultation process for local/ interested residents or have you already made up your mind? * Why, as a resident of Balgolwah Heights directly impacted by this, have I not received this information flyer (nor has many other residents). It has been luck rather than good management that I am aware of this proposal.

    SarahG asked 11 months ago

    Hi Sarah

    Thanks for your comments. We are continuing to consider and review suggestions and comments following our initial notification of the proposal. Traffic studies regarding bus and car travel times would be publicly available throughout the public display of environmental documentation. This would include consultation events and activities, which are set to be confirmed shortly.

    Recognising community feedback about the distribution of the initial newsletter regarding the proposal, future documentation will be sent to a wider footprint including all of Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights.

    ~ Neil 

  • Having only just seen this, I understand what you seek to achieve but question if it will do what you think. As a Clontarf resident I am concerned with the Heaton closure as this provides easy direct access for us to the south/city. I know for a fact that the bus not having a dedicated stopping point does not slow traffic flow because the traffic is already banked up from spit hill! So whilst it might seem logical it may in fact add little real benefit and move congestion from Clontarf traffic back into the top of manly rd. If you really want to do it....keep Heaton open and move the stop up the hill a tad where there appears to be able land.

    Bruce asked 11 months ago

    Hi Bruce

    Thanks for your comments. Your suggestions will be reviewed and looked at as we progress the proposal.

    Modelling detailing the benefits to bus travel times and potential impacts for current users of Heaton Avenue would be highlighted in formal environmental documentation should the proposal advance.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi I'm sure everyone would applaud any initiative to improve the public transport system from the Northern Beaches as it is long overdue. My question is to do with the 'modelling' which has been done and purports to show the Heaton Avenue road closure will be more than adequately dealt with by the other changes and no significant delays or additional traffic jams at peak times will be experienced. When and where can we see this 'modelling' as it is obviously crucial to all the people who live in Clontarf, Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights, Seaforth, Fairlight and even Manly given the number of vehicles from all these suburbs which currently use the Heaton Avenue route to by-pass the impasse which already exists on the Sydney Road and Burnt Bridge Deviation at peak times every single morning. It will take some convincing to 'prove' the proposed closure won't cause untold delays by forcing even more traffic onto one single route. In the interests of transparency and true consultation surely this data should be made available to all?

    Jem asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jem

    Modelling would be provided in environmental documentation and made publicly available during the display period.

    ~ Neil

  • Will the existing peak hour T3 transit lane disappear with the introduction of the B-line bus lane? If so,this would force even more cars into the already packed outer two lanes.

    Jude asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jude

    Changes to the current T3 status are being considered as part of the proposal. Confirmation would be provided in environmental documentation, which is scheduled to be available on public display in November.

    ~ Neil

  • What is the point of 'public consultation' after you've committed yourselves to a 'plan'? In order to identify a solution to a problem surely you need to ask the people affected by it how they perceive the problem and its solution? What is the problem you think closing Heaton Ave fixes? Certainly as a daily user of Heaton Avenue (and resident of Linkmead Avenue, which is affected by the resulting congestion), I have not seen any problem with the way traffic uses it to enter Manly Road; traffic merges in a polite and smooth fashion both into Heaton Ave from Kanangra and again into Manly Road from Heaton at a point sufficiently removed from the bottle-neck of the Sydney/Manly Roads intersection, that it conveniently takes pressure off that intersection and the streets leading to it, including those around the High School, while providing the maximum straight, unobscured and so safe stretch of road after the turn for the merger from the bus lane into the general traffic lanes. Your Neil's claim in his reply to John, that the need for traffic to "immediately merge creates congestion and safety issues" is plainly false; there is no such need, no such creation of congestion and no such safety issues (what investigation backs up such an empirically false assertion?). His earlier reply claimed the congestion was caused by cars being 'forced to queue to merge out of the T3 lane'; far from an 'immediate' merger need or safety issue and only caused occasionally, when police fill Heaton Ave with their spotters and the odd motorist fails to realise they lawfully have an easy 100m to merge (a reminder sign would fix that). If the "problem" you are trying to address is simply speed of public transport of people from further up the northern beaches to the city, surely any "solution" should not to deprive the people closer to the city of an existing efficient way to get there? Nor should it add to the problem of existing bottlenecks. There are plenty of obvious ways to improve that "problem" without creating another one; how about banning bicycles from using the bus/transit lane? -now that is the most dangerous impediment to traffic flow down the hill I see every morning! The second biggest impediment to traffic down the hill is buses stopping at each of the 2 stops; Heaton Ave and Avona Cres 100m away; surely they could be provide a convenient siding(s) without impeding Heaton traffic? Why are there no other measures/routes to lessen the traffic down the Spit; eg ferries from the upper reaches or any of Middle Harbour? Dispersal, not concentration of traffic is surely a better goal? Finally Neil's first claim that the Manly/Sydney Rd intersection will be upgraded to cope with the extra congestion is a nonsense response to the congestion of local roads around it as traffic is forced to wind its way back on itself throughout our suburbs to get to such a single megalithic point of access to the Spit. This is absurd; does this government think it can do what it likes to voters in the Premier's own Manly area? We went independent not that long ago and this could well be the issue that changes my vote.

    Simon asked 11 months ago

    Hi Simon

    Your comments and suggestions will be considered as design progresses and we prepare environmental documentation for internal review.

    The initial notification and awareness of the proposal has led to many alternative suggestions and comments, which are also being considered. Updates on the next stages and outcomes of these reviews will be provided once they are completed.

    The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue and new bus bay would both provide significant benefits to bus travel times. 

    ~ Neil

  • I do find the potential closure of Heaton Avenue baffling. While it's closure is of no detriment to me, I'm conscious of the number of residents who use it. I currently get on at the Heaton Av bus stop and buses stopping there have no bearing whatsoever on the time taken to get into the city. Given the huge amounts of congestion between Heaton Av and Spit junction, a bus stopping at Heaton Av will have caught back up to the traffic before spit bridge. If we ever get to the point of the Heaton Avenue stop delaying times into the city in any way shape of form, everyone involved in the project will have been awarded the Order of Australia!! I'd seriously encourage you to focus on areas that may assist in reducing congestion and save any time on fiddling with Heaton Av.

    Charlie asked 11 months ago

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  • I do find the potential closure of Heaton Avenue baffling. While it's closure is of no detriment to me, I'm conscious of the number of residents who use it. I currently get on at the Heaton Av bus stop and buses stopping there have no bearing whatsoever on the time taken to get into the city. Given the huge amounts of congestion between Heaton Av and Spit junction, a bus stopping at Heaton Av will have caught back up to the traffic before spit bridge. If we ever get to the point of the Heaton Avenue stop delaying times into the city in any way shape of form, everyone involved in the project will have been awarded the Order of Australia!! I'd seriously encourage you to focus on areas that may assist in reducing congestion and save any time on fiddling with Heaton Av.

    Charlie asked 11 months ago

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  • I also object to the proposed closure of Heaton Ave, Clontarf. This is our main road to get on to Spit and as a resident of Clontarf, this would severely disadvantage the journey to work in the areas. 1.5hr journey to work is enough and having to then drive north along Beatrice/ Woodland to join Sydney Rd, then come down Manly Rd would add another at least 20min to our journey. I think current bus lane regime is reasonable from my experience in peak hours, which took 2hours to get to work. Therefore does not require the new bus layby, affecting Heaton Ave.

    Jess asked 11 months ago

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  • A few people below have already asked for statistics and evidence regarding your claim that closing Heaton Ave will provide "significant safety benefits for bus customers and other commuters". I myself have used Heaton Avenue to turn onto Manly Road thousands of times, both as a passenger and a driver, at all times of the day, and have never in my life experienced or witnessed any "safety concerns" whilst turning into the traffic. If you want to use that claim as a significant deciding factor, then you might as well close all streets in Sydney that allow a left turn onto a busy road. What I have found is that there have never been any issues with merging onto Manly Road in peak hour (between 6.30-9am), as drivers and bus drivers are always happy and willing to stop and let cars in. You may think that closing Heaton Ave will increase traffic flow, and whilst it may to some degree, this improvement would be insignificant at best as the traffic situation on Manly Rd at that time of the morning is already hideous. The root of the problem is most certainly Spit Junction, as short phasing traffic lights and an insufficient number of lanes impedes city-bound traffic flow from both Spit Road and Military Road. You may find it more beneficial to direct funds and resources towards improving traffic flow from that particular location, rather than inconveniencing residents of Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights 24/7 for an improvement in traffic flow that is only relevant for 2-3 hours per day. Additionally, perhaps focusing on the interests of ALL Northern Beaches residents, rather than those who will be catching the B-Line bus from Mona Vale, would be a fairer and more logical approach to negotiating the upgrades and improvements to our roads over the next few years.

    Clontarf resident asked 11 months ago

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  • I don't have a question but I am a resident of Balgowlah who rides the E70 to the city. I wholeheartedly agree with closing Heaton Ave. while I'm sure a few people will be inconvenienced, there are far more of us who "do the right thing" and catch public transport to work who are delayed as cars try to merge out of the T3 lane south of Heaton Ave. I appreciate this project doesn't directly assist me, but closing Heaton Ave will definitely help E70 commuters. Also, feel free to slip in a bike lane to help us push bike commuters!

    Whitey asked 11 months ago

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  • I live in Balgowlah Heights, and use the bus (E70 Sydney Rd), drive a car and ride my bike to work. The only method of transport that doesn't create resentment to the commute is cycling - when you see the number of cars with 1 or two people - I do think the overall strategy of getting people out of cars and into public transport - like the Bline - should be pursued. Re Bikes - I currently ride down Manly Rd to the Spit, however I do see the congestion that bikes cause in the T3 lane. I would happily ride through Seaforth and down Battle Bde if bikes were banned from the T3 lane between (say) Condamine St near Harvey Norman to the city - if it meant the buses were more efficient. Also, I think bikes riding in T3 along Mosman is lunacy and also is a major issue for congestion as buses over take and cause the next lane to congest. There is an alternative route through the back streets of Mosman which is very pleasant to ride. Secondly, the Heaton Rd closure ... I use Heaton to get to the CBD, however I also see the issues caused by the traffic joining in Heaton, and whilst I would personally be impacted, I do believe that for the Bline lane to be effective it needs to have as little impact as possible. I would use Wanganella or Maretimo or Coral to join Sydney Road. I appreciate this is congested, however if you provided longer sequencing at the main lights at Sydney Rd / Burnt Creek intersection, then this should work. As there are less cars coming from Burnt Creek (with more buses), this should not impact south bound at the main intersection. I think in this case the decision will have to favour the largest number of people impacted, no doubt this will close Heaton to make sure the Bline works efficiently, otherwise the Bline investment will backfire and Heaton will be closed after the event anyway. For another point impacting the Bline and general traffic - I've always thought that the pedestrian crossing at Spit Junction causes too much delay to the flow (I.e. For the time of the pedestrians, tens of cars could flow through Spit Jn), if elevated walkways across the whole intersection were provided, and it is only a traffic intersection, I firmly believe this would cut 10 minutes from the northern beaches journey. It is such an emotive issue as we all deal with aweful traffic as part of our daily lives .... I really value the efforts of the Department in considering all aspects of this initiative .... However, it is a solution on the perimeter .... I still live in hope for the Beaches Link tunnel ..... Come on Mr Baird, make a real decision and leave a positive legacy. A 1 hour commute for an 18 minute journey in an off peak hour is fast losing my vote at the next election ! Perhaps you could forward this email to Mike's staffers for their consideration.

    Ric asked 11 months ago

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  • Do not close Heaton Ave, it is too important as the only other option for Spit Bridge access. See below for an alternate solution. YOU NEED OPTIONS – ACCESS VIA HEATON AVE IS NECESSARY - Reducing southbound Manly Road access to only 1 entry via Sydney road means no options in case of accidents or breakdowns in that stretch of Manly Rd to Heaton Ave. This is a place where multiple options are strategically necessary in morning peak hour/s (6:30 – 9:30 am). Also, local traffic would become gridlocked at Sydney Rd/Frenchs Forest Rd roundabout at Seaforth due to extra Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights traffic coming round that way to travel to or towards the city, and thus blocking local traffic bound for Manly, Frenchs Forest, and Manly Vale and exceedingly congesting the other local roads for those directions. I note many similar comments on that point. The so called congestion and safety issues of traffic entering from Heaton Ave are overstated. There are no such major issues. Occasionally there can be significant congestion at that point but only because of delays further on that have backed up. 30 years of regular work day bus travel that way are testament to these statements. Do a 2 week trial during school/university terms and see what happens? BTW no leaflet information received in Seaforth Ellery Parade. You will alienate the thousands of people who live in Balgowlah Seaforth Clontarf and beyond unless you expand the distribution. This is a critical location for all northern beaches residents and mostly those south of Burnt Creek. AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION – tidal flow an extra lane of Manly Road for a stretch before and after the Heaton Ave intersection. Presently the 3 northbound lanes are under-utilised at peak hour, so why not use one for that stretch during morning peak hour for advantage of southbound lanes? You would end up with 4 lanes - 2 normal lanes, 1 for B-line /express buses, and 1 normal bus/clearway lane at kerbside. Then there would be no need to construct a bus bay. Heaton Ave traffic to eventually merge across to the outside normal lane/s; e.g. just after the Avona Cres bus stop (before 4 lanes are reduced to 3 to cross the Spit Bridge). On this steep hill buses and heavy vehicles must be at slow speed anyway for safety reasons (or impose a slow speed limit for heavy vehicles). The merging of Heaton Ave traffic would be a minor inconvenience to the B-line route, and other traffic is almost always sensible in accommodating their merge into the normal lanes. Existing RMS tidal flow crews could accommodate these morning tasks as they are already on location for Spit Bridge tidal flows. It’s a win for everyone – bus stops retained, prioritised lane for B-line and express buses, local traffic access and merge over a short stretch of Manly Road. Just to be clear, the transit lane restriction for that stretch should be exempted for traffic coming from Heaton Av but that merge into the normal lanes.

    Remy Seaforth asked 11 months ago

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  • Q: This proposal has not considered the impact of the closure of Heaton Ave on: 1. the residents of Clontarf 2. the increased traffic flow on the suburban streets and their residents, if access to Manly Rd from Heaton Ave is denied. 3.Have you looked at the easy proposal of closing Heaton Ave off and considered an alternative so that access to Manly Rd continues and a bus pull over area is constructed? As a resident in the NBC municipality since 1992, and living in the Clontarf precinct the impact of the closure will be. 1.1. Clontarf residents for south bound travel would have to take a circuitous route via Kanangra St, Ethel St, Sydney Rd for a right hand turn into Manly Rd, OR; 1.2. Clontarf residents for south bound travel would have to travel Beatrice St, New St West, Maretimo, Sydney Rd for a left hand turn into Manly Rd, OR: 1.3.Clontarf residents for south bound travel would have to travel Beatrice St,Gordon St, New St West, Maretimo, Sydney Rd for a left hand turn into Manly Rd. 2.1. Ethel St will carry more traffic to the Sydney Rd, Seaforth roundabout where there is already severe congetion in morning peak hours. 2.2. The section of Ethel St, east of the overhead bridge spanning Manly Rd, is narrow, with resident's vehicles parked on both sides of the street. Ethel St is has a East/West alignment and in the period I have lived in the precinct there are regular accidents because drivers can be blinded by the sun in their eyes, both early morning and late afternoon. These accidents have included; vehicles mounting the gutter and demolishing resident's fences, side swiping of parked cars resulting in substantial damage to both vehicles and the regular destruction of vehicles side vision mirrors. 2.2. The Maretimo/Ethel St roundabout is under constant pressure already in peak hour and there are regular accidents such as mounting the kerb where in one accident a vehicle hit a street tree and in another accident a vehicle demolshed a road sign, rear end collisions with parked vehicles and because of the pressure on this intersection there is regular road rage including excessive use of the horn and verbal abuse. 2.3. The route to Ethel St via Plant St, to avoid the intersection as per 2.2, will become a "rat run" in the morning peak hour for some Clontarf residents and this will represent significant safety issues for residents and motorists as Plant St is relatively narrow with resident's vehicles parked on both sides of the street and there is a blind curve in the street as well. 3. I offer a positive to this debate. I have commuted from the Heaton Ave bus stop for years. I actually know what the commuting and traffic problems are on the northern beaches having lived here for 24 years! An alternative to closing Heaton Ave is to excavate and instal a concrete supported slab on the existing bus stop site. This will allow a bus pull over bay and allow Heaton Ave to remain open. the compromise would be that a left hand turn into Heaton Ave from Manly Rd would be prohibited, a turn which is used by very few motorists. Please go out and check it out! regards Michael Edgar

    Michael Edgar asked 11 months ago

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  • This is an ill-conceived idea and I object wholeheartedly. It is only when you live in these suburbs that you can appreciate what an important artery this is for Clontarf, Balgowlah Heights, Balgowlah and Seaforth residents. Its congested because it works. Removing this so as to increase safety measures is a joke. I have driven this road every morning for 20 years and have never witnessed an incident, so a bit like Donald Trump and his crazy assertions, I would like to fact check your claims. This is how the bus lane at Heaton avenue works in the morning: 1. You wait for a bus to pick up passengers and you drive into the bus land and then filter effortlessly into the car lanes by the time you hit Avona crescent. 2. It is so slow you will always find a courteous driver to let you in. This closure is going to send more cars (many cars) through heavily populated suburbs in Balgowlah, Seaforth and Balgowlah heights and through multiple school zones. I foresee a much greater safety risk in this proposal. It is also going to lead to longer trip times and drivers taking risky decisions to try and make up the difference. I ask you to consider allowing a transit zone from Heaton avenue to Avona Crescent like we have in the approach to the Harbour Bridge. I guarantee you that this will not hold up busses at all. And I want to see the facts about safety which you claim on your website.

    Midmarkim asked 11 months ago

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  • As a Clontarf resident who works in Camperdown, taking public transport to work is not a realistic option. It would require at least 3 different modes of transport and over 90minutes each way. I carry substantial equipment to work. It is not feasible. Therefore, I, like many other Clontarf, Balgowlah Hts and Manly residents, leave home before 7am to make it to work by 8. The vast bulk of us, coupled with a similar number of cars from further along the Northern Beaches who enter via Kanangara Cres, access the Manly Rd via Heaton Avenue. On some occasions it takes me 20 minutes to make it onto Manly Rd due to congestion created by the influx of cars from Kanangara. To avoid that, I have on a couple of occasions travelled to Sydney Road via Maretimo and every time it has taken over 30 minutes to get onto Manly Road due to congestion at the Sydney Rd-Manly Rd intersection. If Heaton Ave were to be closed, this would re-direct not only all Clontarf/Balgowlah Hts/Fairlight/Manly traffic to the Sydney Rd/Manly Road intersection, but also the equal amount of Northern Beaches traffic that currently use Kanangara-Heaton Ave to access Manly Rd. I am confident this would create absolute traffic chaos along Sydney Road proximal to the Manly Rd intersection between 6.30-9.30 every weekday. I strongly urge you to reconsider this proposal. If in doubt, why not run a trial for a week, and please do so during school term.

    Steve Chadban asked 11 months ago

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  • I feel that our comments should be uploaded immediately rather than being screened and then uploaded by the admin. Feel not all the comments are uploaded and should be transparent of what public says.

    Jess asked 11 months ago

    Hi Jess

    Thanks for your comment. Considering the amount of feedback we've received and consideration required of the suggested alternatives, our turnaround times are currently far longer than normal. 

    Your suggestion is a good one. We will post all comments publicly as they come through and continue to respond retrospectively.

    ~ Neil

  • The effect of closing Heaton will be hundreds more cars using Ethel Street to drive through Seaforth. This is already the most gridlocked roundabout and junction on the Northern Beaches, and it will become much, much worse. Next year, the huge development in the centre of Seaforth will open, bringing yet more traffic. This is an appalling plan, ill-judged and sure to cause misery. The buses stopping at the end of Heaten Avenue do not cause any problems, so it is unneccesary.

    pmerrill asked 11 months ago

    Hi pmerrill

    Your comments are noted. Intersection improvements at the Manly Road/Sydney Road are expected to compensate for the additional traffic as a result of the closure.

    ~ Neil

  • I'm disappointed with the small distribution of the newsletter and general lack of notification of the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue. I am a Balgowlah resident, but was not included in the newsletter distribution. I cycle to the city on a daily basis via Heaton Avenue so closing the road will have a huge impact on me. Why can't the bus bay be located on Manly Rd prior to Heaton Avenue? With access continued from Heaton Avenue to Manly Road, at least for cyclists.

    David, Balgowlah asked 11 months ago

    Hi David

    Apologies for not receiving the initial notification. We are in the process of finalising a second newsletter with information about REF documentation and consultation events, which will be distributed to the whole area south of Sydney Road.

    The closure of Heaton Ave combined with the new bus bay will maximise the improvements to bus travel times. Both factors cause significant impacts.

    Cycling access and alternatives are still being reviewed. More information will be available in Review of Environmental Factors documentation, which is scheduled to go on public display from early November.

    ~ Neil


  • The closure of Heaton Ave does not seem to be a significant improvement opportunity for reducing congestion. Only a few buses stop there very briefly. It will be a major inconvenience for those locals who use it. It will just increase congestion in other places such as around Sydney Road. Please don't close Heaton Ave.

    Andy Hanigan asked 11 months ago

    Hi Andy

    Thanks for your comments. The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue and new bus bay would greatly improve the flow of bus travel. Around 40 buses are scheduled to stop near Heaton Avenue between 7am-8am on a weekday (if required). We are continuing to consider suggestions and ways to limit increases to travel time. More information about these measures will be available in environmental documentation, which is due to go on public display in November.

    ~ Neil

  • Please confirm how many passengers enter the bus at Heaton bus stop in the morning peak to warrant a bay ? Ballie Boys is much more in need of a Bay as a major stop not Heaton Ave.

    skidoggie999 asked 12 months ago

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    The proposed bus bay and closure of Heaton Avenue will significantly improve traffic flow for buses, particularly those not accessing the local stop. Opal data recognises that around 50 customers catch a bus from this stop daily between 7am and 9am.

    ~ Neil

  • I have only just heard about this bizarre proposal after receiving notification from the Clontarf Community Forum. I did not receive notification from b.line or NSW transport as claimed! I live in Clontarf and use Heaton Avenue to access Manly Road each morning. Closing this access will cause absolute chaos and only further congest Seaforth Junction and roads around Balgowlah Boys High School. Putting the interests of residents in Mona Vale and northern suburbs ahead of Balgowlah Heights, Seaforth, and Clontarf. Shame on Baird and shame on this plan!

    Daniel. asked 12 months ago

    Hi Daniel 

    Thanks for your comments. We have extended the distribution area for the upcoming newsletter, which will also be published on this webpage.

    Further information about the proposal will be presented in the newsletter and at upcoming consultation activities.

    ~ Neil

  • The traffic situation across the spit bridge is diabolical at the best of times, there is a bigger issue here than just Heaton Avenue that needs to be considered. I am a single parent that resides in Seaforth. I work fulltime and have to drive across spit bridge every morning to drop my daughter off to school & then travel out West for work. There is no alternative transport option and no T3 lane option. We sit in traffic every morning for hours with the congestion at the spit & its getting worse! Heaton Avenue is sometimes a nice option if your sitting thru 8 sets of lights of turn to turn right on Spit.

    L asked 11 months ago

    Hi L

    The proposal mentioned on this page is one of a series of improvements being made at various pinchpoints across the Northern Beaches road corridor.

    The areas around Spit Junction as well as Military Road are also including within the B-Line scope, with proposed works including the creation of indents and bus bays, changes to traffic light phasing, minor road widening, traffic flow and changes to parking and driving conditions.

    ~ Neil

  • TfNSW, Firstly, thank you for trying to improve transport on the Northern Beaches. Are there any plans to upgrade the Ethel St/French's Forest Rd/Sydney Rd intersection? By closing Heaton Avenue at Many Rd you will increase the amount of traffic going west along Ethel St through the Ethel St/Sydney Rd intersection. During peak periods west bound traffic on Ethel St regularly banks back to well east of the Ethel St overbridge (over Sydney Rd). Forget the congested main roads- we're literally struggling just to get out of Balgowlah Heights at times. If you could confirm you have completed traffic studies that have indicated this and it is being considered it would be appreciated. If not, could you please consider looking into it? Alternatively, if you must close Heaton Avenue, how about removing the no left turn onto Sydney Rd during peak periods from various side streets? That would be a BIG help- I think that would be a fair trade off. Thanks for your time...

    Julian asked 11 months ago

    Hi Julian

    The current proposal focuses on the Manly Road/Sydney Road/Burnt Bay Creek Deviation intersection. Improvements proposed there would improve traffic flow at the roundabout and beyond. We are continuing to review modelling and consider feedback and options such as yours.

    ~ Neil


  • There seems to be room on Manly Road for this bus bay before or after it intersects with Heaton Ave. Are they been considered or is this closure of Heaton an intended part of the project?

    eyeknownuffin asked 11 months ago

    Hi

    Thanks for your question. The closure of Heaton Avenue would improve traffic flow, particularly for buses, as it would stop cars turning into Manly Road and then merging into other lanes, which currently impedes traffic in the kerbside lane. The closure would also facilitate the bus bay.

    ~ Neil

  • As a resident of Balgowlah Heights I am writing to register my strong objection to the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue, Clontarf as part of the new B-Line bus plan. The closure would severely disadvantage residents of Clontarf, Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights, Seaforth and adjoining suburbs driving to the City and other locations via Spit Bridge and I echo the comments made by other residents on this page.

    chris2016 asked 11 months ago

    Hi chris2016

    Your objection is noted. We are continuing to collate feedback to consider as design and the development of environmental documentation progresses. 

    ~ Neil

  • Is there a petition to stop the closure of Heaton Ave; this is going to cause traffic congestion elsewhere and seriously inconvenience residents in Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf.

    Ryan asked 11 months ago

    Hi Ryan

    The B-Line Project team is continuing to review feedback and consider alternative suggestions relating to the closure of Heaton Avenue.

    ~ Neil

  • Close off Heaton Road? You must be kidding. This route to Manly Road is used by a large part of the community of Balgowlah, Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf. Surely you have observed the numbers using this route through peak hour and at other times. Closing this street will force all of that traffic to find other paths through the suburb, in order tom access Sydney Road and ultimately, manly Road. The Sydney Road/Manly Road/Seaforth area is already a complete disaster. Why would you want to make this worse? Great if you are on a bus from Mona Vale....crap if you live anywhere near the Spit Bridge.

    CookM asked 11 months ago

    Hi CookM

    As part of the proposal, a series of works would be completed at the Manly/Sydney Roads intersection, improving traffic flow, recognising the increase in vehicles using that passage.

    The proposed closure would facilitate significant improvements to bus travel times by eliminating cars turning from Heaton Avenue into Manly Road and impacting traffic flow.

    ~ Neil

  • Can you please provide evidence to residents that the 'safety' with this current access to The Spit has been compromised. Please provide evidence of safety issues or accident rates at Heaton Ave in 2016. I don't believe safety is an issue, the planning of bus stop infrastructure could be reconsidered and moved to allow Heaton Avenue to remain open and safe for residents use. Please provide the community with the research showing this access will not contribute further to Sydney Rd traffic grid lock, road closure will add hundreds more cars to the intersection and Sydney Road on a week day per hour, has this figure been researched ? Please provide the community with a clear consultation process, not just an email point of contact. Louise Moore

    Brett asked 12 months ago

    Hi Brett

    Thanks for your questions and comments. The project team is continuing to review comments and update external studies relating to traffic flow, safety and impacts from the proposed changes. Modelling and other report results will be produced as part of environmental documentation during the public display period of the proposal.

    ~ Neil


  • I don't have a question - I have a statement. Local residents of Clontarf & Balgowlah Heights will not put up with the closure of our key access route (Heaton Avenue) from our suburb.

    Brett asked 12 months ago

    Hi Brett

    We will continue to respond to feedback and review suggestions as the proposal progresses.

    ~ Neil

  • Please do not close access to Manly rd from Heaton ave, it is only a small access to the Spit bridge used by local residents. If you close this street it would put more pressure onto Sydney rd and increase even more the traffic chaos i endure every day just to travel to Mosman for my work. The spit bridge traffic mess will never be addressed, don't make things WORSE by taking this access street away, not everyone can travel by bus!!

    Sallyp asked 12 months ago

    Hi Sallyp

    We are continuing to review feedback relating to the proposal to close Heaton Avenue. The closure would facilitate significant improvements to bus times, and improvement works at the Sydney Road/Manly Road intersection would help to mitigate the additional traffic demands.

    Updated information and details of consultation activities will be provided on the B-Line website.

    ~ Neil