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The B-Line for the Northern Beaches will benefit from the input of residents, businesses and commuters, and we invite you to get involved by joining discussions, asking questions and having your say on various aspects of this large program of works.



The B-Line for the Northern Beaches will benefit from the input of residents, businesses and commuters, and we invite you to get involved by joining discussions, asking questions and having your say on various aspects of this large program of works.


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  • Will the parking be free or metered parking for residents in the Park and Ride carparks. Will there be buses that go through to central. The L90 used to go through to central.

    Hayden asked 26 days ago

    Hi Hayden,

    Six new commuter car parks are being constructed and converted into free parking zone for B-line services purposes at Mona Vale, Warriewood, Narrabeen, Dee Why, Brookvale and Manly Vale providing about 900 spaces.  The current TfNSW policy is for free, untimed parking. However, measures are being considered to ensure that parking is maximised for bus customers.With regards to bus stops in the CBD, TfNSW is continuing to work with the Sydney Coordination Office to finalise the city stops for Northern Beaches buses. It is currently proposed that buses will stop around near Wynyard Station. Both the M30 and train services will provide an easy transfer to Central.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • The b-Line bus service turning at Newport Beach will be a Natural Disaster. A huge concrete interchange right on a beautiful beach. What idiot suggested that? If they want sensible planning then the B-Line needs to be extended to Avalon where there is already a bus loop which would alleviate the commuter congestion problem. Everybody gets a fair park space at their own suburban carpark without this mass migration of cars into one carpark. What next a multi storey carpark on Newport beach. Short term planning on the run for political votes. Criminal!!

    rogerjohnston asked 24 days ago

    Hi Roger

    Our studies showed that extending the B-Line past Newport would have potentially had negative impacts on bus reliability across the corridor, due to variability in travel times through the Bilgola Bends. Routes E88 and L90 (off peak) will continue to provide direct services between Avalon and the CBD. TfNSW is considering any proposal at Newport to be subject to a Review of Environmental Factors (including public display) and planning approval. Any decision has been made on this matter as yet. We will be engaging with stakeholders in the near future over possible options.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea 

  • When does the bus contract come up for tender? We are interested in tendering.

    neil.geddes asked 2 months ago

    Hi Neil

    The NSW Minister for Transport’s office has stated that there are no plans to change the provider of bus services in the Northern Beaches area. The State Transit Authority currently run services in this area and will continue to do so as part of the B-Line program.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • Has a decision been made as to whether the service will extend beyond Mona Vale to Newport or Avalon?

    pnywo asked 3 months ago

    Hi Pnywo,

    B-line service will be extended to Newport. Extending the B-Line to Newport will make it easier for customers from the surrounding area to travel to and from the Sydney CBD.  Following the initial announcement of the B-Line between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD, further investigations showed that a large number of customers would benefit from the extension of the service and it would not impact travel times or service reliability.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • Hi Neil Any update on the so far mythical plan for the buses beyond Mona Vale - do we need to wait until the mooted cancellation of all E services (E87, 88 and 89) before we get any information on what we are meant to do? We keep being told, and you have also advised that the Northern Beaches Bus Plan was due in March - designed to address the needs of commuters that live beyond Mona Vale - so far nothing. Any update?

    SueT asked 3 months ago

    Hi Sue

    The Northern Beaches New Service Plan has been released. You can find detailed information on our website visiting  http://yoursay.b-line.transport.nsw.gov.au/northern-beaches-bus-service-plan. B-line services will operate from Newport to the City. Palm Beach and Avalon will have new routes and connections with B-line service seven days per week every 10 minutes. 

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • Just wondering when we are going to get an update on what is happening to bus services north of Mona Vale? Not everyone can park and ride at Mona Vale and if everyone tried to who does have access to a car, I'm sure the proposed number of parking spaces would soon fill up.

    Bilgolabususer asked 3 months ago

    Hi Bilgolabususer,

    From Palm Beach and Avalon new route 199 will operate as a full time, all-stops service between Palm Beach and Manly via Avalon, Newport shops, Newport loop, Mona Vale, Narrabeen, Collaroy, Dee Why and Warringah Mall. Route 199 will provide connections to B-line services at Newport. Route L90 will continue to operate during the weekday off-peak (9:00am-3:00pm) and weekends (7:00am- 10:00pm), with a service frequency of 60 minutes. For travel to the City outside of these times, catch route 199 and connect to B-Line services at Newport. From Avalon route E88 will operate to Narrabeen and then stopping only at Neutral Bay and the City.

    Thanks,

    ~ Andrea

  • What will the parking rates be at the new B Line car parks being constructed?

    localift asked 2 months ago

    Hi Localift

    The new commuter car parks are being constructed and converted into free parking zone for B-line services purposes. 

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • Why can't we have the normal L90, still running from Wynyard to Palm beach. And a late night service from Palm beach RSL to Wynyard as we do now. Why can't we keep the current L90 service from Wynyard to Palm beach and back as well as the B Line service? What percentage of people making these decisions ever catch a northern Beaches bus? Everyone has to change at Mona Vale to go to Palm Beach? Can you guarantee that people having to catch a connecting bus from Mona Vale to the Palm Beach Ferry regardless of traffic and weather, will connect with the Ferry as the 190 bus does? Have you considered the danger to young and old waiting around for a connecting bus late at night

    Mary asked 2 months ago

    Hi Mary,

    Route L90 will continue to operate during the weekday off-peak (9:00am-3:00pm) and weekends (7:00am- 10:00pm), with a service frequency of 60 minutes. For travel to the City outside of these times, catch route 199 and connect to B-Line services at Newport. They will be available every 10 minutes or every five minutes from Mona Vale in the AM peak.   Services will run until 12:30 am every day with 10 minutes frequency until 11 pm.     With regards to safety issues, lighting will be installed at the new Village Park outbound B-Line stop, providing safe access for customers being picked up in nearby streets, transferring to other services and pedestrians accessing the shopping village and car parks. CCTV will be installed at every B-Line stop as well.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • Hi, is the b-line expected to reduce travel times?

    margaretg asked 2 months ago

    Hi Margaret

    Current indications are that travel times will improve by around 10%.  The journey is expected to be reduced by 10-15 minutes once the full suite of road improvement treatments is completed in each area of our scope of works. 

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • 1) Based on responses to earlier questions and given the B-Line is planned to be operational later this year, what is the current status on the Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan? Will this be implemented at the same time as the B-Line commencement? If so, when will consultation for this plan occur and how long will the consultation period be? I'm anticipating the changes will be quite significant to accommodate the B-Line which would require sufficient consultation and final amendments of the plan prior to implementation. 2) When are the first of the new fleet of double decker buses expected to arrive for the B-Line service and will they all be delivered in time for commencement of the B-Line? 3) Will the B-Line have pick-up/set-down restrictions similar to those on existing limited stops and express bus services?

    ZackH asked about 2 months ago

    Hi ZackH,

    The new Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan has been realeased. You can find it on our website http://yoursay.b-line.transport.nsw.gov.au/northern-beaches-bus-service-plan. It will be implemented when B-line services take place.  Decker buses are expected to arrive late this year 2017 to be operational. The B-Line will stop at at Newport, Mona Vale, Warriewood, Narrabeen, Collaroy, Dee Why, Brookvale, Manly Vale, Spit Junction (Mosman), Neutral Bay and the Sydney CBD.

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • what will happen to residents North of Mona Vale after the B-line is running? Will the L90 etc buses still operate & at what frequency? Will there be all weather shelter at Mona Vale?

    galen i gannon asked about 1 month ago

    Hi galen,

    Route L90 still will operate during the weekday off-peak (9:00am-3:00pm) and weekends (7:00am- 10:00pm), with a service frequency of 60 minutes. For travel to the City outside of these times,  you can take route 199 and connect to B-Line services at Newport. B-line services will be available every 10 minutes from Newport and five minutes from Mona Vale in peak periods.  Yes, all B-line bus stops, including Mona Vale, will have an all-weather shelter

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea


  • Hi there - just wondering what will be the change in journey time between Mona Vale and the CBD? I hope you are prioritising the B-Line at intersections? Also, what will be the provision for bicycle access at Monda Vale? I hope you are making it safer and easier to access the bus by bike, given the large amount of access being given to car commuters via parking? Thanks.

    BDyer asked about 1 month ago

    Hi BDyer

    Current indications are that travel times will improve by around 10%, once the full suite of road improvement treatments is completed in each area of our scope of works. Improved bicycle parking facilities will feature at each B-Line stop. Integrating active transport and cycling paths with B-Line is a priority of a $22.3 million program with Council. 

    Thanks

    ~ Andrea

  • How will the existing bus lanes be affected? Will these remain as peak hour lanes or become 24 bus lanes?

    KateS asked 30 days ago

    Hi KateS

    Thanks for your question.

    Consistent with NSW and Australian road rules, bicycles, taxis, motorcycles and hire cars are currently allowed to use the T3 transit lane in addition to buses.

    T3 lanes have been established in order to encourage car pooling during peak periods as a means of reducing the number of vehicles on the road, also allowing overall passenger transport capacity to be maintained.

    The RMS guidelines relating to bus lanes can be found here and are included below:

    Bus lane

    Bus lanes are sign-posted or marked as bus lanes. They are provided primarily for buses, but can also be used by:

    • Taxis.

    • Hire cars (but not rental cars).

    • Motorcycles and bicycles.

    • Emergency vehicles.

    • Special purpose vehicles and vehicles also operated by or under the direction of Roads and Maritime Services.

    General traffic is also permitted to travel in a bus lane for up to 100 metres to:

    • Turn left or right into or out of a street.

    • Enter or leave a property adjacent to the bus lane.

    • Pass another vehicle that has stopped to turn right or to avoid an obstruction.

    Questions similar to this were raised through the consultation process associated with the Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Review of Environmental Factors and responded to in the subsequent Brookvale to Seaforth B-Line Road Infrastructure - Submissions Report - April 2017. You may wish to consult these documents to for further information

    A review of bus lanes across the corridor is currently being undertaken. It is recognised that express buses are only as fast as the bike or all-stop bus travelling in front of it, and changes to lane prioritisation are being considered. Any changes would require formal approval and further consultation.


    ~ Jacqui

  • FAO: NEIL DIX - Community Engagement Manager - Chatswood Office - Transport NSW Hi again Neil, I haven't noticed that a revised or new 'Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan' has been released yet. You said in your previous email from March it "will soon be released and provide more information on services outside of the B-Line corridor". Can you please update me as to when this new bus timetable for the Northern Beaches will be released, so the Sydney Bus customers will know what is happening to their current 'local' commuting routes. I appreciate they are not part of the B-line, but as you recognised they are very heavily used, so are a very important part of the overall bus network. In fact, this has been proven recently, as the E76 & E77 have had the larger bendy buses added to the morning commuter times to help provide enough capacity for the customers living in this area. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. kind regards Katherine

    knavin asked about 2 months ago

    Hi Kathryn

    I would expect further information in the next 3-4 weeks.

    ~ Neil

  • Is the B line owned privately or is it a government venture?

    Dahelal1 asked about 2 months ago

    Hi Dahelal1

    The B-Line Program is a Transport for NSW project. The operator of the service is expected to be announced in the near future.

    ~ Neil

  • How has the improvement times of 10% been calculated? If you currently catch a scheduled bus from Mona Vale on an E88 you would have many less stops before the city than on the B-line - is this calculation based purely on the existing bus lanes being clear? The bus lanes currently exist in peak hour so it's unclear how a slower service (due to more stopping) operating on the existing bus lane would benefit. Have wait times at either end, if people have to change services, been factored in (i.e. north of mona vale if the service is not extended and further south beyond Wynyard if the termination point remains)? From Newport to Railway Square on a 6:08am bus in and a 4:26pm bus (from Wynyard allowing for 25 minutes to get from Railway Square - walking or M30 or 400 buses to Martin place and walking all take the same at 4pm, significantly longer after 5pm) out on an E88 both ways currently takes 3.5 hours. Prior to the light rail this round trip took 2.5 hours - are we talking about an improvement on the 3.5 hour trip as opposed to the previous 2.5 hour trip when buses were able to cross the city?

    bexando asked about 1 month ago

    Hi bexando

    Thanks for your questions. Road improvement works being undertaken across the corridor are expected to deliver the time savings you reference. Changes to lane use are also being considered. These improvements are marked against current bus travel times between Mona Vale and Wynyard.

    A new service plan for the Northern Beaches region is currently being finalised and is attempting to minimise the need to transfer buses (particularly on the outbound journey), and ensuring services are integrated when it is required.

    ~ Neil

  • Why are mature trees being removed from Mona Vale Village Park for the bus stop there.

    Elaine asked 3 months ago

    Hi Elaine

    The B-Line program at Mona Vale includes a slight realignment of Village Park to create a new bus indent, which will allow traffic and buses not stopping at Mona Vale to continue uninterrupted by stopping buses, particularly B-Line services.

    To create space for this indent, the existing mounds at Village Park will be shifted slightly to the west, with a 50cm retaining wall on the Barrenjoey Road side minimising impact to the amenity within the park. 21 existing trees within and around the existing mounds will also be removed to allow for the new indent.

    Following consultation with local stakeholders and community groups, it was decided that replacement trees will includes Norfolk Island Pine and Swamp Mahogany.

    Replanted trees will be semi-mature and replanted as soon as possible after the mound has been adjusted.

    ~ Neil

  • How can we ensure that the traffic impact of new and proposed developments are properly considered by BLine? I am referring to Eastbank Ave, Collaroy. 7 car movements were recorded by the Traffic Study and this report is now being used to justify putting in at Eastbank Ave/Pittwater Road a No Right-Hand turn during peak hour for southbound traffic There are currently 20 houses. But there are 19 units nearing completion and there are plans afoot to add another 70 units on the Salvation Army land. A significant % of Eastbank Ave residents submitted letters to BLine. How do we request that BLine does not refer to detrimental changes as "Improvements".

    Anita Gibbs asked 3 months ago

    Hi Anita

    Minimising southbound right turns on Pittwater Road will improve traffic flow, safety and overall efficiency. It was determined, using the traffic counts, that the impact of limiting this movement was not considered significant.

    Comments from the public display were recognised in the Consultation Report published last month.

    ~ Neil

  • Hello, could you please advise: 1. What is the current budget expectation for the B-Line project? 2. How does it affect those commuters (including bus travellers) who are unable to access one of the 3 B-Line stops proposed on the 18 kms between Brookvale and the CBD? 2. How will it be affected by the construction of a tunnel under the The Spit, should that ever proceed? Thanks

    Chrispy asked 3 months ago

    Hi Chrispy

    Thanks for your email. The B-Line program includes the installation of a series of new commuter car parks and bus interchanges, a number of specific road improvement works including extended tidal flow on Military Road and the procurement of new double-deck buses. The total budget is estimated at around $500 million.

    Other services accessing stops outside of the B-Line areas will still continue. The frequency and stopping patterns of these stops is currently being finalised as part of the new Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan, which is due for release in the next few months.

    The B-Line bus service will provide a more frequent and quicker service between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD. Road improvement works will benefit bus customers and other road users. Other initiatives including a link between the Northern Beaches and Warringah Freeway, would provide further benefits in the medium-term.

    ~ Neil

  • What will be the cost of a journey to the city? What will be the travel time from Mona Vale to the City? What are the full suite of road improvement works to be completed? Will Bus services still go to Palm Beach? What is the projected travel time from Palm beach to the city in peak periods? Will this differ from those currently available? Where will the service terminate in the city?

    Paul McLean asked 4 months ago

    Hi Paul

    Exact service times are dependant on time of day and the extent of approved works across the B-Line corridor. Current indications are that travel times will improve by around 10%.

    Palm Beach services are being determined by TfNSW service planners, with further news likely to become available in the near future. It is expected that travel times will improve for these services as they will also benefit from the road improvement works across the corridor, including median changes, traffic light phasing updates and indented bus bays at pinch-points.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi. The map provided by TFNSW shows the route for B-Line and it also states that B-Line will terminate in the City, however it does not specify where. Will B-Line terminate at Wynyard Interchange or another location?

    SydneyRailPhotographer asked 4 months ago

    Hi

    Thanks for your question. While it was originally planned that the B-Line would terminate at Wynyard and the B-Line outbound stop would be on Carrington St, this is being reviewed in consultation with the Sydney Coordination Office. 

    More information will be provided as we gain more certainty on the city location.

    ~ Neil 


  • Hi, I have a concern about the changing conditions for turning at Ben Boyd Road. If cars are not able to exit Military Road at Ben Boyd Rd they will be forced to exit at Rangers Rd, Wycombe Rd, or Watson St. These intersections are incredibly unsafe for cars leaving Military Rd during peak hour as they are directly at the bus stops. Cars turning at these locations will also slow buses down much more than those turning at Ben Boyd. It is already difficult for cars to leave Military Rd with all the turning restrictions, but it must be remembered that not all cars on Military Rd are going into the city or North Sydney. Some are just going to suburban Neutral Bay, such as parents dropping off children at Neutral Bay Primary School. Where will they be able to exit Military Rd safely?

    Amanda asked 5 months ago

    Hi Amanda

    We are continuing to investigate the proposed changes at Ben Boyd Road, particularly in conjunction with Council's local plans for the area.

    The closure would prevent current delays caused by turning cars waiting for the large volumes of pedestrians to cross.

    The left turn restriction would be particularly critical in the AM peak, where the tidal flow extension will limit outbound traffic to two lanes. Vehicles waiting to turn would further restrict traffic during this period.

    We will continue to provide updates on the program as further reviews are undertaken and the project determination is finalised.

    ~ Neil

  • Why aren't cars banned from being driven into the cbd by workers in peakhour? (Ok if you're driving through or around or have special needs) Why isn't public transport improved as a substitute for traffic congestion? Why do roads have to be widened, trees chopped down and homes threatened?

    col asked 5 months ago

    Hi col

    By improving the reliability, frequency and travel time of bus services, the new B-Line aims to increase the number of bus customers between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD.

    We also recognise that many people will still use cars for a multitude of reasons.

    The proposed road improvement works across the B-Line corridor will ensure the improvements to bus services, while also improving travel times for car users.

    ~ Neil  

  • Is there a plan to increase parking for Collaroy? The current beachside parking is full by 7.30am. How will the increase due to the B line be managed?

    Password701 asked 4 months ago

    HI

    Thanks for your question. 

    There is no current plan to increase commuter parking at Collaroy as part of the B-Line project.

    A project-wide parking strategy, which included forecast demand for the new B-Line bus service, identified that demand for park and ride from the area around Collaroy could be met by existing car parking facilities in the area. 

    Further studies will be conducted once the B-Line is operational to confirm demand figures and parking usage.

    ~ Neil

  • Will there be any changes to the current clearway times on Pittwater Road in Narrabeen and Collaroy?

    LHB asked 4 months ago

    Hi LHB

    Changes to clearway times are being considered as part of the B-Line program as well as within RMS' Easing Sydney's Congestion Program.

    Any proposed changes would be subject to consultation with local businesses and the community, as well as a formal public display and approval process. Further information will be promoted on this website as it becomes available.

    ~ Neil

  • How will moving the bus stops on Military Rd nr Cabramatta Road help congestion, etc. ?

    lilyoph asked 5 months ago

    Hi lilyoph

    The relocated bus stop would help to accommodate the extended tidal flow traffic configuration, which will provide an additional lane of traffic in the peak direction.

    The proposal to relocate the bus stop would allow for an extension of the current road in that area to provide the extra road space.

    ~ Neil

  • Where are the proposed mouths of the tunnel to be located and where are the potential exhaust stack locations please?

    Flintstone asked 4 months ago

    Hi Flintstone

    The B-Line program is an approved Transport for NSW/Roads and Maritime Services project to improve the frequency and reliability of bus services between the Northern Beaches and the Sydney CBD.

    The B-Line program is being rolled out independently of any other proposed transport initiatives.

    ~ Neil 

  • How is the traffic congestion along Burnt Bridge deviation to be improved for buses? My experience of peak hour transport is that there are plenty of buses but they get caught in the same traffic as other vehicles. Providing more rider capacity in the buses (double deckers) does not address this major issue.

    Password701 asked 4 months ago

    Hi 

    Thanks for your question. There is currently a T3 transit lane inbound in the morning for inbound buses and a 24 hour bus lane outbound on Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation.

    The designation of the transit lane is being reviewed as part of the B-Line program.

    Other road improvement infrastructure, including a proposed bus indent near Heaton Avenue at Clontarf, are being considered to minimise disruption to B-Line services from stopping buses.

    ~ Neil


  • Will the new bus bays between Cremorne and Neutral Bay cut down many trees in line with government's land clearance policy

    Whatdoesthismean asked 4 months ago

    Hi

    Thanks for your question.

    Approximately 15 trees are proposed to be removed in Cremorne and Neutral Bay as part of the B-Line proposal. Further detail, including maps of the impacted vegetation, is available on pages 156-157 of the REF

    ~ Neil

  • Will the B Line take a lane on the UNFIXED, antiquated Spit Bridge and cause even more traffic chaos? An idea from left field, widen the bridge and weld it shut.

    Matt69 asked 4 months ago

    Hi Matt69

    The B-Line program includes a series of road improvement works north and south of the Spit Bridge to alleviate recognised pinch-points. This includes the creation of a bus indent around Heaton Avenue at Clontarf to allow passing buses to continue on Manly Road unimpeded by stopping buses.

    A series of road improvement works, changes to existing conditions and an extension of the existing tidal flow on Military Road are all planned works to help relieve the existing pinch points on Spit Road and Military Road.

    Further information about the proposal is available on the Spit Junction (Mosman) page.

    ~ Neil   

  • Why are the most current responses a month behind?

    RTP asked 6 months ago

    Hi RTP

    We are continuing to respond to questions and comments. The delay in responding is due to an increase in feedback relating to public displays at Seaforth and Neutral Bay/Mosman.

    ~ Neil

  • Why doesn't the Government buy the old cinema building at Spit Junction for a bus bay?

    Sue N asked 4 months ago

    Hi Sue N

    Transport for NSW purchased the Spit Junction cinema site to house an indented bus bay as part of the B-Line Project.

    More information about the B-Line proposal is available on the Spit Junction (Mosman) webpage.

    ~ Neil

  • What is happening with public transport north of Mona Vale?

    Janet asked 7 months ago

    Hi Janet

    TfNSW is currently undertaking investigations around a possible extension of the B-Line service north of Mona Vale. The outcomes of this will inform the new service plan, which will feature any changes to services, particularly north of Mona Vale. Further information is expected about this in March.

    ~ Neil

  • With regards to the closing of Heaton Avenue, what is the expected impact to the residents of Seaforth Bluff that need to transit through the Seaforth Roundabout to get onto Sydney Road and then onto Spit Road? You state that you expect an increase in transit time of 3-15 minutes for the residents that currently use Heaton Avenue. Without Heaton Avenue, they will be forced to go down Ethel Street. They have priority over the Seaforth Bluff residents when entering the roundabout. When this happens today, delays can reach 25 minutes for the Seaforth Bluff residents to enter the roundabout and we have no other way to get through the roundabout.

    JVK asked 7 months ago

    Hi JVK

    Recognising community feedback and flow-on traffic issues, the proposal to fully close Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered. We are continuing to work through different options internally and with stakeholders and community groups.

    ~ Neil

  • Why is TNSW steamrolling the proposal to close Heaton avenue? To say that will cause an "acceptable" delay of 15 minutes ( I am a resident and that is not acceptable even if it were true) when in actual fact it will add 45-60 minutes due to increased congestion is just plain unethical and wrong. To this date I have not received any communication from you in my mailbox and have to rely on various resident groups to get any information. Public transport from Clontarf is a joke anyway and now you are penalising us further without any real justification. Why?

    Sleachsyd asked 7 months ago

    Hi sleachsyd

    The proposal to fully close Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered.

    ~ Neil

  • There is a proposal for Heaton Avenue to be closed. The primary justification is a benefit of 10% of the overall time saving due to the removal of cars waiting to merge into the right lane as they head down towards the Spit Bridge. Has the person or company who came up with this figure actually bothered to test this assumption? I do that route twice a day and every single bus hits a bottleneck on the other side of the bridge (Mosman side). So whether they're delayed a minute on the manly side of the bridge or spend that minute waiting on the mosman side it makes exactly ZERO difference to their travel time - they'll still keep their position in the line of busses slowly proceeding along Spit Rd and then Military Rd. Are you able to change your thinking from one of isolated data points to one of journey totality?

    chopstickles asked 7 months ago

    Hi

    Travel time savings across the B-Line corridor are derived from a series of incremental travel time improvements between Mona Vale and the CBD, and particularly between Manly Vale and Neutral Bay.

    At Mosman and Neutral Bay, a series of work is proposed to improved bus prioritisation and traffic flow, including an extension of tidal flow on Military Road.

    Further information about this section is available on the Neutral Bay page of the website.

    ~ Neil

  • 1. How long will the journey take from Mona Vale to the CBD? 2. Will 150 car spaces be sufficient for all the commuters in Mona Vale and north to Palm Beach? 3. You do realise, don't you, that the entire North East of Sydney is without a train service and that a bumpy bus ride is a significantly inferior option?

    JayReyMe asked 8 months ago

    Hi JayReyMe

    The journey time from Mona Vale is expected to be reduced by 10-15 minutes once the full suite of road improvement works is completed (scheduled for 2019). Other benefits of the B-Line include improved travel time reliability of services and increased frequency.

    Other projects, including a proposed northern link from the Spit Bridge to Warringah Freeway, are in the early conceptual phases.

    ~ Neil   

  • Will the T3 still be in place along Burnt Bridge Creek deviation over the spit bridge and along military road during AM peak hour?

    Natalie asked 5 months ago

    Hi Natalie

    Lane designations are being reviewed, with potential changes at Manly Road and Military Road being considered. Further information will be made available as modelling and consultation activities are completed.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi looks a great project but can you please confirm that buses will be travelling to Chatswood, at the current time with road works on Warringah road the journey can take anything from 20 mins to over an hour there are NO bus lanes and it appears none are being developed. Also can you confirm that buses will be on the Dee Why beach side not just from Pittwater road Thank you

    melaney asked 8 months ago

    Hi melaney

    More information about services outside of the B-Line corridor will be provided in the new Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan, which is due for release and consultation in March.

    ~ Neil

  • Can you not close Heaton Avenue? That'd be much better traffic wise.

    CaptainObvious asked 9 months ago

    Hi

    The full closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered.

    ~ Neil

  • What energy source will be powering these routes? Will the transport authority be considering the clear economic and environmental advantages of transitioning to a fully electric public transport fleet?

    Timoj asked 8 months ago

    Hi Timoj

    The bus fleet selected for the B-Line operates on Diesel fuel. There are no double-decker buses in the current market that operate on electricity or natural gas.

    By improving customer capacity and decreasing the length of buses, the new B-Line service will provide economic and environmental benefits when compared with existing buses.

    ~ Neil

  • Will the existing southbound Transit Lanes along the Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation and then Seaforth to Mosman and the City be retained?

    Peter Hopkins asked 8 months ago

    Hi Peter

    Changes to lane designations are being considered to improve bus travel time reliability. Further consultation and formal approval processes would take place prior to any changes.

    ~ Neil

  • At present the e79 circles Cromer and Narraweena, before going all stops from Dee Why to Manly Vale. This makes a morning commute to CBD over an hour on the bus. Will there be changes to this service, such as a more frequent shuttle service to Dee Why? In outer suburbs of London they have half size buses regularly shuttling commuters to nearest train station - I always thought this could work in the suburbs of the Northern Beaches not on the main Pittwater Road corridor

    Chrisb5000 asked 8 months ago

    Hi Chris

    Services outside the B-Line corridor are being addressed as part of a wider service plan. Considerations for services that transport services to B-Line stops are being considered, as well as complementary direct services from major hubs.

    ~ Neil

  • Can council look into fitting an all weather playing field atop each B-Line car park? This would solve two problems in one!

    Ron bennett asked 8 months ago

    Hi Ron

    The ongoing maintenance of B-Line car parks will be the responsibility of Council. Note that current multi-storey car park designs do not include provisions for recreational use.

    ~ Neil

  • Does this mean that there will be no single bus route from Palm Beach and other suburbs north of Mona Vale into the CBD? Will everyone from those suburbs north of Mona Vale be forced to change buses at Mona Vale? If this is the case, then their journey will take longer. If B-line buses terminate at Mona Vale, what route will the buses take to turn around for the return journey? Will buses which currently terminate in Park Street, adjacent to Pittwater Place (e.g. Forest Coaches from Macquarie Park) still terminate there?

    bus asked 8 months ago

    Hi bus

    Bus services north of Mona Vale are currently being reviewed in line with investigations into a possible extension of the B-Line service.

    Many existing direct services are expected to continue. Further information will be made available in the coming months when investigations are completed.

    ~ Neil

  • Existing Express services Will the existing express services into and out of the city be impacted with the B-Line service On the original information they were not going to be changed - but I notice a comment on the feed that they will. I catch an E88 from North Avalon and the service has already been reduced from 15 minute interval to a half hour interval. Does this now mean we will have to catch a bus to Moan Vale and then line up for the B- Line, thus increasing trip time - speaking to the people on the bus this will probably cause a lot of Northern Beaches people to go back to their vehicles, as commute times in the car will be quicker I was stated in the Feed on the E89, that info would be available in a few weeks, this was posted a month ago - any update Regard North Avalon Beach Commuter

    barbs asked 8 months ago

    Hi barbs

    The Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan was previously being finalised based on a B-Line service between the Sydney CBD and Mona Vale. Following feedback from stakeholders and community members north of Mona Vale, the potential extension of the B-Line north of Mona Vale is currently being formally considered.

    The new service plan is reliant on the determination of the final B-Line route, and further information on the investigations will be provided in the near future.

    A new webpage with further information for customers north of Mona Vale is currently being developed.

    ~ Neil 


  • What good does it do to closr Heaton Avenue?

    KALong asked 8 months ago

    Hi KALong

    The proposal to fully close Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered.

    ~ Neil

  • Firstly thank you Project Team for this project. It has been a long time coming that we desperately needed Park and Ride facilities on a major bus route. I am very excited to see this available at last in Sydney. I am from Melbourne where P&R projects and bus route improvements were funded and built 15 years ago making transportation a breeze in areas without train lines. I have a number of questions in relation to the Park and Ride: Question 1) The proposed number of commuter parking spots will barely fulfill the demand now, let alone address population increases in the future! There are only 250 proposed in Brookvale and 150 in Manly Vale. This is a major capital city, not a rural town! What is preventing the build of a taller car park building to fill the need of today and have scope for the future? Question 2) The commuter car parks are located in heavy residential and retail areas. What measures are in place to prevent non-commuters for taking the scarce commuter parking spots? For example, I have a few girls working for me as babysitters who also work at the mall on a part time basis. They are constantly needing to move their cars every 2 hours around the mall car park to get free parking. They will no doubt (as will other staff in the expanding mall) use the commuter car park if it is available to them so they can work uninterrupted in the mall. Question 3) Are there plans to charge commuters a fee for using the car park? If so, this will increase the cost of travel and decrease the likelihood of taking cars off the roads. Thank you in advance.

    cecilial asked 8 months ago

    Hi cecilial

    Thanks for your questions.

    The number of car parking spaces at each commuter car park was determined following demand studies, and the car parks you mention at Brookvale and Manly Vale meet parking demand estimates to 2031.

    The B-Line project team is currently considering ways to ensure the commuter car parking spaces are used by bus customers, including the possible use of Opal technology.

    There is no plan to charge bus customers to use the commuter car parks.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi BLine QandA, I'm a fan of more public transport and I understand people all over Sydney are making compromises in order to get some material change happening, however I'd like to voice my concern over the closure of Heaton Av. Clearly where Heaton meets manly road is the easiest place to put a bus stop off the road but I wonder what other options were tabled to have both the road remain open and the expanded bus stop? Will you be making the traffic modelling that has completed made available to the public. Thanks for your attention.

    adjans asked 8 months ago

    Hi adjans

    Note that the full closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered. Other options being considered can be found in the latest edition of the B-Line newsletter, which was distributed to the community in November.

    ~ Neil

  • What is the long term transport plan for the Northern Beaches? Does one even exist? The B-Line sounds like a huge spend for very little return ($600 million already!). Since there is only one road to the City, the pinch points of Sydney Road, the Spit Bridge, Spit Junction, Cremorne Junction and The Harbour Bridge still exist under this plan. Population is forever increasing and we can't keep building more roads/buses. A rail tunnel is the only solution that scales, so we'll have to build one sooner or later, and no matter how much it costs, sooner will always be the cheaper option. Check Google Maps and draw a line from St James Station to Spit Junction to Manly Vale then Brookvale/Dee Why. This would provide express service to the city and result in less vehicles on the road (a metro train has the capacity of 20 buses, and can run every 5 minutes). Northern Beaches buses could then service these stations and free up the choke points to the city. It is the only way forward for Northern Beaches transport, what is stopping us from doing this?

    scott asked 8 months ago

    Hi scott

    The Northern Beaches Transport Action Plan describes the planned long-term transport improvements for the region.

    Late last year the Premier mentioned considerations of rail in the area, particularly with the Metro construction already underway. However, this would likely still be 30 years from operating.

    The B-Line program will help to improve the reliability and frequency of bus services across the Northern Beaches, and also provide a series of road improvements that counter existing pinch points, particularly around Spit Junction and Neutral Bay.

    ~ Neil

  • Is the intention to keep the T3 lane? Is it not efficient and effective to have a lane to still be dedicated for multiple passengers in a single vehicle? It is the single car drivers that should use buses. If you have a multiple child family, why do you potentially penalize them as they can't get a bus and shouldn't have to travel in a car lane with single person drivers.

    RocketG asked 8 months ago

    Hi RocketG

    The current prioritisation of lanes along the B-Line route are being investigated, with a view of maximising travel time savings and journey reliability for bus customers. There are no current plans to change the existing transit lanes around Spit Bridge.

    The road improvements associated with the B-Line project are also expected to reduce congestion at pinchpoints for other motorists.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi, What concrete steps will be taken for Spit Junction. Commuting from Dee Why, this is a major pain point with a lot of waiting time. Buses stop there sometimes for nothing (no passenger get on board). It seems like all buses do stop there, so while it must be nice for the locals, it is not efficient for the other commuters.

    lcant asked 8 months ago

    Hi lcant

    The B-Line proposal at Spit Junction is currently on public display for public review and comment. Recognising the existing congestion, a series of road improvement works are planned. Further information is available on the Spit Junction page.

    A new flythrough video is also available which details the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • To whom it may concern, As a long standing Ethel Street, Seaforth resident I am somewhat bemused by the planned closure of Heaton Avenue for the B-line. There is already a traffic congestion issue on Ethel Street - used for cut through from Clontarf/Manly etc. to access Wakehurst Parkway. And with the Bupa Complex and continuous planning requests to further develop the Seaforth island of shops, the closure of Heaton Ave will only lead to further issues. This is clear to see from simply sitting/standing on the street crn of Ethel and/or Heaton of a morning/evening. You do not need any training in road planning to see that the B-line plans are foiled. What is being neglected it the sheer fact that those who drive are not going into the city and therefore will not stop driving with the introduction of the B-line. A simple survey of the community would tell planners this and therefore conclude the stupidity of the suggested closure. Furthermore the B-line offers local residents no further service than what exists today. There are several logical alternatives for a B-line stop in the vicinity that would not have the same negative impact: - moving the B-line down a stop, closure of one end of the horseshoe would not have the same impact as the use of this Street is very limited to one Street of traffic - moving the B-line down to the non populated section near the sailing club, Mosman side - moving the stop to form part of the bypass leading up to the Sydney Rd intersection like they have done for the hills bus service - widening the Heaton Ave exit with a slip road to allow traffic to filter onto Manly Rd without stopping and fear of getting fined for merging if into the T3 lane and then having to move over before as fast as possible to not get fined - improving the access across the Sydney intersection into Seaforth/ Wakehurst I hope that this reaches the right people and that the closure does not occur and a more suitable solution be found.

    KerrieH asked 8 months ago

    Hi KerrieH

    Thanks for your comments. The full closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered, and the options you mention are among those being reviewed as part of the formal assessment process.

    Further information about the Seaforth proposal will be available in early 2017.

    ~ Neil

  • Why are you closing Heaton Avenue? You seem to state 2 reasons: 1. "The proposed closure would allow an indented bus bay to be built for local bus services, improving bus journey times by separating buses which have stopped to drop off and pick up passengers from other buses travelling along the kerbside bus lane." Please provide evidence of: A) the journey time saving from this change in the AM peak. The journey time will not be reduced as any time saved by passing a stopped bus will be lost further up the road joining the queues ahead. Also, what is the time lost for the bus stopping and rejoining the traffic. B) that a bus bay cannot be provided without closing Heaton Avenue. Please provide evidence that a bus bay cannot be accommodated without closing Heaton Avenue. How will you deal with cyclist safety going down the hill at speed and buses rejoining the traffic lane. I note that bus drivers ask for the removal of bus bays due to the danger and difficulty and time lost trying to rejoin the traffic. (cyclist safety is a massive issue in this location) 2. "It would also prevent traffic from Heaton Avenue impacting on the kerbside bus lane". This a priority junction, therefore the main line (the buses) have priority over the side road. Therefore the a bus is not held up by this intersection. The traffic numbers could be reduced by allowing local traffic only which apparently used to be the case. This could be a revenue earner as well. I imagine the bus lay by is a secondary consideration used as an excuse for essentially isolating a suburb. Please provide the above requested information to validate these claims and why you think it justifies cutting off a whole community from their access to go to work and earn a living! The best part is, the bus doesn't even stop at this location if I am correct? Thanks Jez

    jez asked 8 months ago

    Hi jez

    Thanks for your comments. Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance announced in December that the full closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered. A review of the other options and feedback received throughout the public display period is currently taking place.

    While the B-Line is not proposed to stop at Heaton Avenue, the stop is serviced by the E71 express service to the city in the morning peak.

    ~ Neil

  • There is considerable interest to have the B-Line service extended to Avalon Beach. The area already has a terminating facility for the L88 and E88 bus services which use Avalon Parade and Old Barrenjoey Road as the circuit to turn the service around and return to Barrenjoey Road. The fact that the B-Line service is not at this stage proposing to use Avalon Beach as the terminus sits at odds with residents at this end of the peninsula who see the prospect of having to take a bus to Mona Vale as is proposed at the present time, as a very awkward way in which to use a new service that is meant to have additional benefits. You can understand that the benefits of the proposed service as exists at the present time are questioned by many current and future users of public transport. The shiny gloss of the new buses is one thing; but the real issue in determining the success of the B-Line service will be one of reality; providing a service that is a total improvement, particularly to passengers from the major centre of and around Avalon Beach. The E88, L88 and E89 services are good. And one bus would, until Wynyard became the terminus, take you to Central. Replacing such services with a three-bus service to go from Avalon Beach or Clareville to Central is not an improvement. If you are able to bring this issue to the attention of the planners and have amendments made it would meet with great glee I am sure. I look forward to the good news of the amendments to the service.

    Allan asked 8 months ago

    Hi Allan

    The new B-Line service aims to improve the frequency and reliability of services across the area. While the B-Line is currently proposed to run between the Sydney CBD and Mona Vale, investigations are currently taking place regarding extending the service further to the north.

    The Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan will provide further details on services within the region outside of the B-Line. The new plan will be determined once investigations are completed.

    ~ Neil

  • A communication from my local member Rob Stokes has just informed me that extension of BLine to Newport or Avalon is under active consideration, and is the reason for the delay in publishing details of bus services for the area north of Mona Vale promised by March 2016. I see no mention of this possibility on this site and Newport, Avalon and Palm Beach are not included in the "What is happening in your Area" menu. Can you fill me in on this development please? croydon16

    croydon16 asked 8 months ago

    Hi croydon16

    An extension of the B-Line route past Mona Vale is currently being evaluated. The new Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan, which details services north of Mona Vale as well as other local services in the region and is closely integrated with the new B-Line, is dependent on the outcome of our current review of the extension.

    We will be establishing a dedicated webpage relating to services north of Mona Vale in early 2017.

    ~ Neil

  • The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue will adversely affect residents and commuters. Those coming from Manly/Fairlight who currently use this road would be forced onto the already overwhelmed Sydney Road and force local residents to use other residential roads closer to the schools. You say "The proposed closure would allow an indented bus bay to be built for local bus services, improving bus journey times by separating buses which have stopped to drop off and pick up passengers from other buses travelling along the kerbside bus lane." I do this journey every day and I have NEVER seen this being an issue. The number of passengers alighting at that stop is minimal and the buses are generally stopped for less than a minute. There is also a long stretch of road here that could be used without the need to impact Heaton Avenue access. You also say "It would also prevent traffic from Heaton Avenue impacting on the kerbside bus lane during the morning peak period, providing significant safety benefits for bus customers and other commuters." Again, putting the indented bus stop before Heaton Avenue and/or creating a filter lane would easily negate this. What are these 'significant safety benefits'? What evidence do you have that it is currently unsafe? "As part of the proposal, the intersection of Manly Road/Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation and Sydney Road would be upgraded to accommodate traffic diverted by the Heaton Avenue closure. Traffic modelling suggests these improvements would mitigate the impacts of the closure." Burnt Bridge Creek upgrades would have NO impact on the majority of traffic which is coming from Manly Vale and Manly areas. There is limited scope to upgrade Sydney Road as due to the local residences and given more people will be forced to use Sydney Road any upgrades are likely to have little impact. 'Traffic modelling suggests' - show us the modelling that proves this? Finally you say "safety issues that traffic turning from Heaton Avenue creates". I'd be interested to see the evidence you have to support that this is a safety issue area. In the three years I've been using the turning I NEVER seen an accident cause by someone turning left from Heaton Avenue. How many accidents have there been caused DIRECTLY by the Heaton Avenue turn (ie not just the number of accidents on the bridge)? This is yet another project that avoids the obvious issue of Sydney Road and Spit Bridge not being able to cope with the amount of traffic seen at peak times. Putting in more bus routes etc will not decrease the volume of traffic. People want to drive and they will continue to do so.

    Loaf80 asked 9 months ago

    Hi Loaf80

    Thanks for your comments. Following feedback including yours relating to the proposal at Heaton Avenue, Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance announced in December that the full closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered.

    Further information about the proposal and the review of submissions, which closed in late December, will be provided in the coming months.

    ~ Neil

  • Are there any plans to improve the traffic flow for buses (and cars) at the corner of Falcon St and the Warringah Freeway ? This corner is currently controlled by traffic lights and the removal of these lights could allow buses (and possibly cars) to have continual access to the Bridge. The Ernest St on ramp to the Warringah Freeway does not have traffic lights and the traffic flow here is much better than the Military Rd/Falcon St intersection with the Freeway.

    davidy asked 7 months ago

    Hi davidy,

    There have been no proposed changes beyond Watson St at Neutral Bay planned as part of the Northern Beaches B-Line Project.

    ~ Melanie


  • This is the 4th time I have asked this Question. Any B lines for Newport Avalon or Palm Beach??

    Chantal asked 7 months ago

    Hi Chantal,

    Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

    There are no plans at this stage for B-Line stops for Newport, Avalon or Palm Beach.

    Additional services for these areas are being considered as part of the Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan. More information on specific services is expected to made available in early 2017 for public comment. Updates will be provided on the new website as more information becomes available.

    ~Melanie

  • The REF states a journey time saving of 1.5 minutes of having a bus lay by. This assumes that the bus is caught behind another bus, not guaranteed and does a bus stop for a minute and a half. If 50 people take a bus from here in the morning, how many buses are stopped? Also, wont a bus simply catch back up with the buses stopped in traffic in Mosman?

    jez asked 8 months ago

    Hi jez

    Between  7am-8am on a weekday, 40 of 111 buses going south on Manly Road service the stop near Heaton Avenue (if required). The proposed bus bay would mean the majority of buses - which do not service this stop - would not be caught behind stopping buses.

    Travel time savings across the B-Line corridor are proposed through a series of incremental improvements, which include the proposal at Heaton Avenue and a series of possible changes at Spit Junction and Neutral Bay.

    ~ Neil

  • As a local resident of Clontarf can you please tell me how to formally object? These changes negatively impact residents that are simply trying to get to work in the morning. Having to back track back up to Balgowlah to join the queue of traffic on to the Spit is just a waste of time and creates more congestion in the streets surrounding Sydney Road. Can you keep the Heaton St access open and paint the road for 100 metres to say "merge only". Drivers are pretty respectful and do move quickly in to the other lanes. The Spit is heavily policed and fines do apply for drivers that don't merge. Thanks Laura

    Laura McEvoy asked 8 months ago

    Hi Laura

    Your objection is noted and would be included as a submission in any formal process should TfNSW proceed with the proposal.

    I will add your details to our contact list to ensure you receive future information about the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • With the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue are you changing the timetable for local buses and particularly the school buses or are you just going to let them run late? There will be considerable impact on buses that have to go through Seaforth Junction or past Bally Boys on Maritemo St. I expect the closure of Heaton ave to add at least 10 minutes to the morning peak trips for all the buses through Balgowlah Heights... but the extra traffic thru Seaforth junction down Ethel Street will have first go on roundabout. That is before the traffic (and buses) out of Seaforth or up Frenches Forest Road. This will totally block the roundabout so the closure will end up adding considerable time and inconvenience to cars exiting B Heights/Clontarf 24/7, or anything going through Seaforth as well as anyone trying to catch the local buses... Note we can't even access the B lines!! I expect with the closure of Heaton ave my daughter will have to leave before 7:00 to get to school in Nth Sydney on time!

    PaulG asked 8 months ago

    Hi PaulG

    It is recognised that many buses and cars that currently access Manly Road from Heaton Avenue will be impacted by the proposal. 

    Were the proposal to go ahead, express and all-stop services will continue to service customers at the bus stop near Heaton Avenue. Bus timetable changes are considered as part of the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • This will be a disaster for car traffic trying to get out of Manly, Balgowlah, Seaforth, Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights in morning rush hour, which is already heavily congested. What is being dome to relieve the congestion caused?

    martinbrown00 asked 8 months ago

    Hi Martin

    Recognising that cars that normally access Manly Road via Heaton Avenue would now likely connect via Sydney Road, a series of improvements are planned at the Sydney Road/Manly Road intersection to improve traffic flow.

    ~ Neil

  • What are the proposed services going to be like to Crows Nest/North Sydney? I live in Brookvale and work between Crows Nest and North Sydney, and there's no direct route to/from work available. Any direct route from North Sydney in the pm is full before it gets up the hill to Crows Nest.

    benlpride asked 8 months ago

    Hi benlpride

    Additional services to North Sydney and neighbouring areas are being considered as part of the Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan. More information on specific services is expected to made available in early 2017 for public comment. Updates will be provided on the new website as more information becomes available.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi there, just wondering if and what the proposed changes to the 153 from War Veterans Home to Warringah Mall (Inside) there are. As this service caters mainly to elderly citizens it would be nice to know if the service will continue or if alternative arrangements will be made to cater for their travel to the shopping centre.

    newman asked 8 months ago

    Hi newman

    Information on any changes to services will be provided as part of the Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan, which is complementary to the implementation of the B-Line. More information about the plan is likely to become available early next year (2017). More information will also be provided in the near future on this website.

    ~ Neil 

  • What bus services will be offered north of Mona Vale when the B Line services begin? The maps of the plans still stop at Mona Vale. I was earlier told that these details would be available before March 2016. We are not even listed in "What is happening in your area". Mona Vale is the closest area listed but more than 10 kilometres away from where I live, 15 kms from Palm Beach. Also, what plans are there for bus services from Mona Vale and suburbs north of it to the new Northern Beaches Hospital.

    croydon16 asked 9 months ago

    Hi croydon16

    Information relating to the new service plan, particularly north of Mona Vale, has been delayed as ongoing studies are conducted. We expect consultation around the proposed new plan to start in early 2017. Information about services to the new hospital will be included in this.

    Recognising interest and questions from the community north of Mona Vale, we are looking to open a new page about the service plan in the near future to post updates and respond to questions.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi there, I am a Clontarf resident and I am very concerned about your proposal to close Heaton Avenue. I drive from Clontarf to Surry Hills each day because I need to be mobile to pick up my children from childcare facilities within certain hours (i.e. public transport does not work for me). I have tried multiple ways to leave the suburb and the Heaton Ave exit is the only one that moves with the flow of traffic. The round-about at Ethel St is basically at gridlock and it is very difficult to enter already. The other alternative is to enter via Maretimo Street. Entering onto Sydney Road is already very difficult and must occur via the bus lane (which is what I understand is the problem with Heaton Avenue). The traffic is stationary and back to back. The implication of increased traffic flow in this area is very concerning. We will be effectively trapped within the suburb during peak hour. Would it be possible to relocate the bus bay elsewhere?

    Michelle asked 9 months ago

    Hi Michelle

    Thanks for your comments, we definitely recognise the concerns of residents and are continuing to review feedback and our modelling about the impacts of the closure.

    Relocating the bus bay is one of the options being considered. The option to create the bus bay and close Heaton Avenue was originally preferred because the current impacts are two-fold, with stopping buses in the kerbside lane slowing express services and cars entering from Heaton Avenue also impacting bus travel time.

    I'll add you to our contact database to be informed of updates to the proposal and future consultation events.

    ~ Neil

  • Which roads from Balgowlah/Balgowlah Heights will allow traffic to turn left onto Sydney Road during the morning peak? Maretimo, Coral as well as Wanganella? Currently many of us use Heaton as there is no viable alternative when trying to avoid the inevitable congestion at Seaforth. What is the reason we can't have the bus bay a bit further down towards Avona whilst keeping Heaton open?

    alisonsh asked 9 months ago

    Hi alisonsh

    Thanks for your questions. The proposed indent and closure of Heaton Avenue will maximise the benefits to bus travel time, which is currently impacted by all-stop services stopping near Heaton Avenue to pick up customers, and also by cars entering Manly Road and merging into the middle lane. Existing access to Sydney Road would be retained, including from Maretimo, Coral and Wanganella.

    ~ Neil

  • Please can you inform me as to how the new 'B-line' is going to improve the commute to the City as there are so many issues it seems to be causing instead of resolving. In particular, a worse commute will be created if you take away all of the local bus routes from the Northern Beaches area which travel directly into Wynyard and introduce 'B-line stops'. This will mean everyone is going to have to get off again at the 'B-line' bus stop and queue for another bus, taking longer, causing more congestion and frustration at the stops and with no seats available. Even with double deckers there will be no space to get on a bus by the time they gets to Dee Why or Warringah Mall, as the buses will already be full if they only originate from Mona-Vale. Hence why 10years ago I abandoned queuing for an L90 or L88 (which I could not even get on let alone have a seat) and started catching the E76 and E77 from Dee Why to ensure I had a seat for the 1hour 15mins journey and also so that the bus departure time was more reliable, as it was not coming from the north down the very congested Pittwater Road. I can only see the idea of creating major B-line bus stop hubs creating more congestion in specific locations, worse local traffic with more people driving to the B-line bus stops and not getting the parking promised - as catching a 'local' bus will be more time consuming and frustrating. As a result I envisage therefore a much worse service to the City than at present, which will take longer, requires a change of bus and have the B-line buses not turning up regularly every 5 mins due to road congestion coming from the north, and which doesn't provide a seat except from Mona-Vale. Empty buses every 5 minutes will need to originate from each 'B-line' bus stop in order to provide the 'efficient' and 'regular' service with 'extra seating' to the City the new B-line is claiming to create. The other major problem with the bus routes into the City is the congestion through Cremorne along Spit Road - how is this going to be addressed? I cannot see how providing extra B-line buses every 5 minutes is going to create a better commute into the City if we are all going to be sitting in a bus-jam. The lane categories in this section need to be changed to left: bus only, middle: T3 and right: all vehicles - this may then actually discourage people travelling by car and improve the bus lane flow, allowing 'express' buses from the North to have a better opportunity to overtake those 'local' buses causing congestion by stopping at all the individual stops after Spit Bridge. It is also interesting that the new B-line is stating in peak times there will a bus service every 5 minutes, as if you stand at Warringah Mall stop in commuter times there is at least 1 bus every 5 mins travelling past to the City - so how is the B-line improving the service if we have this already? I believe that the people working on this B-line project should commute to the City every day for at least a week so that they can witness the issues day to day and fully understand what the commuters requirements are to actually get to work on time. The B-line proposals should be reconsidered while there is the opportunity to amend them accordingly, because at present I cannot see how the current proposal is going to improve the commute to the City but instead cause more dissatisfaction to Northern Beaches residents - at a vast expense.

    knavin asked 8 months ago

    Hi knavin

    Thanks for your questions and comments. The bus network will be improved with the implementation of the B-Line through the provision of a regular, turn-up-and-go service and a series of road improvement works that will improve journey time reliability. Recognising Spit Junction and Neutral Bay as pinch points, treatments such as minor lane widening, traffic light phasing, tidal flows, and bus bays are being investigated.

    The increased frequency of services is expected to ensure the on-board congestion you mention is improved. AM peak services starting from Dee Why are also being investigated. Local all-stop services throughout the region will continue to operate, with specific services being reviewed as part of the new Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan, which is currently being finalised for initial review and public comment.

    ~ Neil

  • I live in an over 55's apartment on Pittwater Road, MONA VALE with only four parking spaces for visitors/tradies......will I still be able to park in the kerb side lane on Pittwater Road, other than the present clear way times or will the lane be restricted to buses only?

    Rhonda Blackall asked 9 months ago

    Hi Rhonda

    Thanks for your question. Several parking changes are being considered around Mona Vale to improve bus and traffic flow. Depending on where you live, this may include PM bus lanes in the northbound direction, clearways and extensions to existing AM bus lanes. More information will be provided in the coming months as these plans are investigated further.

    For specific information about possible changes at your address, please email your details to projects@transport.nsw.gov.au.

    ~ Neil

  • As a Clontarf resident, I am shocked by your plans to shut Heaton Avenue. I along with hundreds of residents from Clontarf, Balgowlah and Balgowlah Heights use this road daily as an access point onto Manly Road. The alternative under your plan will force them to head north down Maretimo street past a high school which raises safety concerns OR use Ethel street to access Sydney road at the Seaforth junction where the current roundabout is already unable to cope with peak traffic. Why can't you relocate the bus indent to another position and achieve both an improvement in traffic flow in the bus lane as you claim, whilst also retaining an additional access point to Manly road? ,

    ndinop asked 9 months ago

    Hi ndinop

    The proposed closure would allow an indented bus bay to be built for local bus services, improving bus journey times by separating buses which have stopped to drop off and pick up passengers from other buses travelling along the kerbside bus lane.

    It would also prevent traffic from Heaton Avenue impacting on the kerbside bus lane during the morning peak period, providing significant safety benefits for bus customers and other commuters.

    As part of the proposal, the intersection of Manly Road/Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation and Sydney Road would be upgraded to accommodate traffic diverted by the Heaton Avenue closure. Traffic modelling suggests these improvements would mitigate the impacts of the closure.

    More information about the proposal will be available at community information events planned for later this month, which will be promoted on this website once dates are finalised. These events will provide an opportunity to learn more about the plans and discuss them with members of the B-Line team, as well as submit formal submissions about the proposal.

    ~ Neil

  • What are the plans for E89 service from and to Bilgola Plateau when B-line services start?

    Bilgolabususer asked 9 months ago

    Hi Bilgolabususer

    Thanks for your question. More information about specific services outside of the B-Line corridor will become available when the new service plan is released in the next few weeks.

    Current indications are the new service plan will propose that route 189 provide regular peak services between Avalon, Bilgola Plateau, Newport and Mona Vale to provide connections to the B-Line, replacing the E89.

    ~ Neil


  • In relation to the proposed Heaton Avenue road closure... While I applaud the State governments B-Line initiative, as a local resident in the Balgowlah Heights / Clontarf area, I am concerned about the proposed road closure. I am not sure that the impact of this proposed closure is fully understood and warrants much deeper community consultation. Traffic flow is extremely high during the morning peak - both on Sydney Road (left turn onto Manly Road) and from Heaton Avenue (left turn onto Manly Road). The proposed closure would force all of the local traffic from Clontarf and Balgowlah Heights onto Sydney Road which I believe is unacceptable. Morning peak congestion on Sydney Road already creates tailbacks to Wanganella Street and further east on Sydney Road. Tensions already run high during peak for residents trying to join Sydney Road from the streets to the south e.g. Maritimo Street at the BP station. Trying to legally merge with Sydney Road traffic is almost impossible which forces many drivers to utilise the bus lane. I am concerned that forcing all south bound traffic from Balgowlah Heights and Clontarf traffic onto Sydney Road will result in severe grid lock and frustration. Local streets to the south of Sydney road are also likely to be impacted with increased traffic attempting to join and merge with Sydney Road. Allowing Heaton Avenue traffic to merge later than the current law permits (I believe the power pole by the bus stop near Avona Cres is as far as drivers can travel before merging on Manly Road from the bus/T3 lane) may help alleviate the Heaton Avenue traffic impact on the bus lane and flow. Please consider the wider impacts before making such a determination.

    Chriss asked 9 months ago

    Hi Chriss

    Thanks for your comments. The wider impacts are certainly being considered as part of this proposal.

    There’s been a series of questions and comments about the proposed closure of Heaton Avenue since we distributed our newsletter last week. A detailed response relating to the reasons we’re looking at it is available on the Seaforth ‘Get involved’ page.

    The two major drivers of the proposal are to improve existing congestion and safety issues that traffic turning from Heaton Avenue creates. As part of the proposal, the intersection of Manly Road/Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation and Sydney Road would be upgraded to accommodate  traffic diverted by the Heaton Avenue closure. Traffic modelling suggests these improvements would mitigate the impacts of the closure.

    Regarding consultation, please note that this was an initial notification of our proposal. A formal consultation process, where Review of Environmental Factors documentation is publicly displayed and submissions invited, would be required and approval received before any changes are made. Your details will be added to a contact list that will ensure you are advised when details of upcoming engagement activities become available.

    ~ Neil

  • Is there any scope for the b-line service to travel further than Wynyard such as Central Station. At present there are not enough services that stop at Townhall Park St.

    Richard asked 10 months ago

    Hi Richard

    Current indications are that the B-Line will stop around Wynyard. The final location is being determined in conjunction with the CBD Coordination Office.

    ~ Neil


  • Why closing Heaton avenue at Manly road? Heaton is used by residents from Clontarf, Balgowlah and Balgowlah Heights, which is a good thing because it's reducing the amount of traffic at Seaforth and Sydney road. Seaforth is generally congested with traffic from Seaforth and Forest Way, while Sydney road is congested with traffic from Balgowlah and Manly areas. By closing Heaton you will add to the congestion of Seaforth and Sydney road. It often takes me 10 to 15mins by bus from Sydney-Wanganella roads to Manly road, a 400m stretch! You are going to negatively impact a lot of residents in this area.

    Florence asked 9 months ago

    Hi Florence

    Thanks for your question.

    The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue at Manly Road will allow for an indented bus bay for local services and improve flow during the morning peak, where buses using the bus lane, as well as general traffic, is often delayed due to vehicles merging away from the bus lane after turning into Manly Road from Heaton Avenue. 

    The indented bus bay will improve flow by allowing traffic to pass buses which have stopped to drop off and pick up passengers.  Traffic modelling shows that this change will provide significant time improvements for buses and small benefits for general traffic. 

    It is anticipated that residents south of Sydney Road will, as you mention, now use the eastern section of Sydney Road to access Manly Road. This additional traffic is expected to be offset by the proposed upgrades at the Sydney Road/Manly Road / Burnt Bridge Creek Deviation intersection.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi! Is there are any current tenders for main construction works advertised for each site? If yes, what's the specific site & the tender closing date?

    Nac asked 11 months ago

    Hi Nac,

    For all tender and contract enquiries please visit tenders.nsw.gov.au 

    ~ Buffy


  • Will the scope of the B Line project involve changing a large proportion of existing bus lanes to "bus only" lanes? And if so, what measures would be put in place for other permissible users of the bus lanes, such as business people travelling to the airport in taxi's? The proposed B Line route currently has a very small proportion of "Bus Only" lanes as opposed to bus lanes.

    Wheelo asked 11 months ago

    Hi Wheelo

    Thanks for your question. Current design indicates that some existing T3 lanes across the B-Line corridor will be converted to Bus Lanes. There are no plans for additional 'Bus Only' lanes at this time.

    Bus Lanes can also be used by taxis, hire cars, motorcycles, bicycles and emergency vehicles.

    Details about specific changes will be made available as design continues.

    ~ Neil

  • Are there plans to widen the bus lane along the Spit/Military Rd corridor? One contributing factor to slow travel times is the inability of buses to fit past other large vehicles, particularly between the top of Spit Hill and Spit Junction where the road is quite bendy. Too often traffic is at a standstill, and the bus lane is clear, but buses are forced to creep along with the normal traffic as they are blocked by a truck's mirror. It had already happened twice on my morning commute as I write this!

    tsyme asked 11 months ago

    Hi tsyme

    The Spit Junction area has been recognised as a congestion 'pinch-point', and a series of modifications are planned in this area to improve traffic flow and bus reliability, particularly at the Spit Junction interchange, which is planned near to be situated near Clifford Street. 

    Recognising current constraints like the ones you mention, the widths of lanes on Spit Road, bus movements and other considerations are also being reviewed.

    More information on specific changes will be provided as design progresses.

    ~ Neil


  • gooday I catch the L90 from Dee why main most days so a couple questions 1) will I still have the option of catching the L90 or will this service be stopped 2) most days I do not get a seat and have to stand on the L90 will the new service provide more seating 3) as the B- line has added an extra stop ( manly vale ) how can it be quicker to get to Wynyard thank you for your time frank turik

    putsy99 asked 11 months ago

    Hi Frank

    B-Line services are scheduled to run every five minutes in the peak and every 10 minutes at other times, providing a significant increase in frequency and reliability between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD. Specific details about other services are being finalised as part of the Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan, with more information available in the coming months. 

    The B-Line double-decker buses will provide more seats for passengers (as well as a more frequent services), making it more likely that commuters will be able to find a seat.

    As part of the B-Line program, a series of road improvement works are planned, particularly at recognised 'pinch-points', such as Neutral Bay, which will improve travel times across the corridor.

    ~ Neil

  • How long is the travel time expected to be from Mona Vale to the CBD; given that it'll make more stops than some of the existing express buses?

    todsr1 asked 11 months ago

    Hi Todsr1

    The completion of road improvement works associated with the B-Line program is expected to reduce the journey time between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD by more than 10 minutes.

    ~ Neil

  • What about public transport getting to St Leonards? So many people I commute with from Mona Vale go via Oxford Falls and Eastern Valley way to get to St Leonards for work. There is no public transport that effectively reaches this destination quickly (the current bus from Mona Vale via switching at Neutral Bay takes 30 minutes longer than driving). Thanks

    hannahgoodwin asked 11 months ago

    Hi Hannah

    Thanks for your question. The B-Line is focusing on improving bus travel on the high-demand corridor between Dee Why and the Sydney CBD. East-west travel and services to other areas is a focus of the Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan, which includes access to areas like Chatswood and St Leonards.

    More information about the new plan will be available in the coming months.

    ~ Neil

  • Hi, Would you be able to clarify what commuter bus services are planned for North Avalon in to the city in the future, when the B-Line service commences? At the moment there is an express service, the E88. Is it planned to maintain this service and/or are we expected to drive to Mona Vale to pickup the B-Line? Many thanks, Charles

    Charles asked 12 months ago

    Hi Charles

    Thanks for your question.

    A peak express service from North Avalon is expected to continue to operate in conjunction with the B-Line. This will be confirmed as more information about the new Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan becomes available in the coming months.

    ~ Neil

  • Will the BLine service impact the frequency and or route of the L85 and 185?

    austega asked 12 months ago

    Hi austega

    Northern Beaches services outside of the B-Line are being reviewed as part of the Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan, which is being rolled out in conjunction with the B-Line.

    Express and all-stop services are expected to continue between Warriewood Valley and the CBD, although frequencies may change. We'll continue to update this website as more information about the new services plan becomes available.

    ~ Neil 

  • Will the B-line from Mona Vale go direct to Wynyard and if not why not as this a quick access for us to get to the City, Airport and the Train system in Sydney.

    Romola George asked 12 months ago

    Hi Romola

    Thanks for your questions. While the city stop for the B-Line is yet to be finalised, at present it is expected that it would be in the Wynyard area.

    ~ Neil

  • Has a decision been made as to where the B-Line busses will stop once they reach the CBD?

    Bryan asked 12 months ago

    Hi Bryan

    The CBD section of the B-Line route will be finalised in conjunction with the CBD Coordination Office. Current indications are that the B-Line CBD stop would be around Wynyard Station.

    ~ Neil



  • This won't help commuters north of Dee Why, as there are a number of services (E89, E88, E87, E86, E85) that we can get on that don't stop at Brookvale, Manly Vale and the very congested Spit Junction. As a commuter, why would I use the new B Line service when I can get on existing services that are quicker to the City? Why not create a service that stops at less stops, especially the heavily congested Spit Junction? Maybe if the politicians actually caught the bus, they'd understand what is really required; new flashy bus stops are not the answer to a slow and crowded service.

    Sam asked 12 months ago

    Hi Sam

    Thanks for your question. 

    The B-Line program aims to provide a series of infrastructure, frequency and reliability improvements that improve travel time and crowding. 

    While the B-Line is expected to provide an improved service for commuters travelling to and from the CBD, the stops at Spit Junction and Neutral Bay will ensure the service also has greater access between the Northern Beaches and the Lower North Shore.   

    The Northern Beaches Services Plan is currently being developed, and is expected to be rolled out in conjunction with the B-Line. The plan will provide more information and certainty about different options available for commuters across the region.

    ~ Neil 

  • Are there any plans to mess with the current T3 lanes?

    johnough asked about 1 year ago

    Hi johnough

    We are currently reviewing the categorisation of kerbside lanes along the B-Line corridor. Priority movements is one of several measures being investigated to determine a scope of works to improve bus journeys and reduce delays at congestion points.

    More information will be provided about possible changes as the Program progresses.

    ~ Neil

  • Hello, I think the concept of the B-Line service is a great idea. Pre-pay of fares must be mandatory and I would suggest there should be fewer stops and the bus-lane be totally dedicated to buses only. I know I am not alone in suggesting that the service should be extended to Avalon Beach. Avalon Beach is a major centre which is served by the L88, L90 and importantly, the E88 and E89 bus services. With the Express services already well established, seems logical the improved and faster B-Line service also start from Avalon Beach. The feeder services, 191 & 192 are also centred on Avalon Beach. It's a transport hub, and we ask the new service be extended to Avalon Beach. Many thanks

    Allan asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Allan

    Thanks for your comments and support of the B-Line.

    The B-Line will maximise the benefits of a more frequent and reliable service for customers by travelling between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD.

    For commuters north of Mona Vale, express and all-stops services direct to the city are expected to continue. The frequency and timings of services will be determined in the Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan, which is expected to be rolled out in conjunction with the B-Line from late 2017.

    We are currently reviewing the categorisation of kerbside lanes along the B-Line corridor. Note that there are specific areas along the corridor that are currently categorised as bus only lanes, including along Spit Road.

    ~ Neil

  • I was originally pro-busway on the Northern Beaches, but the more I hear about the current plans, the more I believe it will be all for nothing. Judging by the answers to previous questions, it seems that a number of current services will be removed and replaced by B-Line services (otherwise your answer to Scott would be impossible: "The Northern Beaches bus service plan currently being developed is not expected to result in an increase to the number of buses travelling over the Harbour Bridge in the morning peak one hour"). This is sensible, as forcing more buses down the already congested Spit/Military Rd corridor would not solve anything. However, it is clear to anyone who travels along it that there is very little scope for improvement along the corridor, short of a tidal flow system for much of its length (similar to Victoria Road). Therefore with a minimal improvement to travel times, and a similar number of services to now, it seems that the whole B-Line plan is simply a glorified version of what we currently have, but with fancy bus stops and car-parks in poorly chosen locations (the REF for the Manly Vale car-park actually shows that the works will do nothing to improve the local traffic and in most cases make it worse). Furthermore, not considering the impact on the already crazy situation at Wynyard is a recipe for failure, and Wynyard being "out of scope" is a ridiculous excuse as the whole B-Line system is likely to begin and end there! Also, buses from Pittwater are already full by the time they reach Manly Vale, so it is vital that an earlier point of origin exists (such as Dee Why), otherwise downstream passengers will be stranded. This whole situation seems to be a farce: a poorly suited plan pushed through by politicians wanting to be seen as 'doing something' but not really fixing the problem.

    tsyme asked about 1 year ago

    Hi tsyme

    Thanks for your comments, which have been noted. 

    ~ Alison

  • Thanks for your response but you didn't really answer my questions you only say the standard "A new bus service plan etc etc " so we won't know anything until it happens , will there be any opportunity other than this forum for public discussion if so when? I asked if there would be a measure in place to guarantee the performance of the B line service & if the State government would monitor/recommend fares these questions were not addressed

    Commuter asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Commuter

    Information about the new bus service plan will be provided to the community as soon as it is available, well before the introduction of a new timetable in late 2017. 

    The level of detail you are seeking about the operation of the B-Line bus service is not currently available. 

    ~ Alison

  • Hello, I would fully support a new carpark in Narrabeen for commuter's, but in a different situation to what Government/Council is proposing. I cannot understand why the existing carpark located close to Narrabeen Lagoon is being extended. This is a very narrowminded way of thinking. As our communities are expanding and growing (the idea behind a progessive bus service and more commuter carpspaces) why would Government/Council consider enlarging a carpark when what is required and looking forward into the future is a unique leisure space for all local residents and the greater population of Sydney to enjoy. I would think, it would be more productive to place a carpark in amongst the industrial area of Narrabeen and increase/extend the Narrabeen Lagoon leisure area. Narrabeen is unique in its environment in Sydney, in that it is the only area in Sydney that has access to a large surfing beach and a recreational lagoon. This unique point of difference should be something to expand and utilise instead of decreasing. D

    Skybax asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Skybax

    Thanks for your comments, which have been noted. 

    ~ Alison

  • What does "Install bicycle racks" mean exactly? Are these to be a secure lock-up facility like the Cycle Central in the Whistler Street car park in Manly or a handful of steel racks where thieves can help themselves? Will they be under cover or exposed to the elements?

    Accent asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Accent

    Detailed design of facilities is not yet complete, however a mix of enclosed and open bicycle parking facilities is being considered depending on the nature of the environment where they will be located. 

    ~ Alison

  • Who will operate the B-Line ? If it is a private enterprise will fares still be monitored/recommend by the State Government? Will there be a measure in place to guarantee service performance? Will the B-line double deckers be more expensive to maintain in comparison to a single deck bus?Will the current services eg L90 still be available to commuters?Why do we have to have people driving their car to a designated stop this will only add to the already congested roads on the Northern Beaches as the car parks will fill very quickly & that will only leave the surrounding streets choked with commuters from other areas as they try to find a park particularly as we are building more & more units in the areas.

    Commuter asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Commuter

    The B-Line will be operated by an accredited bus operator, which operator this is will be determined closer to the scheduled operation of the new service in late 2017. The cost of operating and maintaining double decker buses has been considered as part of the program development.

    A new bus service plan for the whole Northern Beaches region is being developed, which will include the new B-Line service, as well as other services to the Sydney CBD, other areas of the northern beaches and adjoining regions, and connection with B-Line stops. The new service plan will be communicated to the community prior to the operation of the new B-Line service. 

    One of the aims of the new service plan is to ensure effective connectivity to the B-Line service, and active transport (cycling and pedestrian) to B-Line stops is also being enhanced as part of the program. Along with providing additional commuter car parking, these measures aim to increase the attractiveness of public transport for travel to and from the Northern Beaches. 

    ~ Alison

  • 1: When will the Narrabeen bridge on Pittwater road be widened to incorporate north and south bound bus lanes? 2: Who will operate the B Line?

    Barry asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Barry

    Widening of Narrabeen Bridge is not part of the scope of works for the Northern Beaches B-Line Program.

    The B-Line service will be operated by an accredited bus operator, which operator this is will be determined closer to the commencement of services in late 2017. 

    ~ Alison

  • Takes a good 40 mins from Dee why to spit junction. The transit bus lane clogs up to spit junction as the bus stops aren't cut in (esp spit) and the m30 sits waiting on military rd George it starts. Can the bus stops be cut into the path so other buses that don't stop til Cremone etc get past?

    neanbean13 asked about 1 year ago

    Hi neanbean13

    The B-Line program includes a program of infrastructure and road work to alleviate congestion on this corridor. This will include indented bus bays where practicable and feasible. 

    ~ Alison

  • Why doesn't the B-line stop at North Sydney ? It's a major transport hub and could connect with eg Chatswood, Macquarie Uni, Barangaroo (via the new Metro)

    DD asked over 1 year ago

    Hi DD

    Thanks for your question.

    The B-Line program aims to improve travel time reliability between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD, and in line with this scope a stop at North Sydney was not included.

    A bus service plan for the whole Northern Beaches region is currently being developed, and will include updated services within the Northern Beaches to areas including the CBD, North Sydney and Chatswood.

    Once released, the plan will then be outlined in communication materials distributed to the community to ensure customers have a full understanding of the proposed changes. 

    ~ Neil


  • In regards to the proposed fleet of double decker buses, will Transport for NSW extensively examine vehicle types and design options (including examples currently used interstate and overseas) for the new vehicles to ensure that the new bus fleet is appropriate to meet the needs and passenger demand of the B-Line service? Will factors such as longer dwell times which contribute towards bus congestion at bus stops be considered when the new double decker fleet is procured? While I support that double deckers are most appropriate to this corridor, they need to be able to handle the high demand and turnover of passengers expected at B-line stops along the corridor as well as cater for increased seating, otherwise they will just cause even more service delays by holding up other buses and traffic. Double decker buses with dual staircases and three doors should be examined as a potential option. They have the ability to carry more seated passengers than articulated buses, but also have the ability to have competitive dwell times compared with articulated buses when the additional door and staircase are provided. Not only that, it reduces passenger conflict inside the bus and avoids problems that plague other cities where boarding passengers have to wait for alighting passengers coming down the stairs before being able to access the upper deck, thus delaying boarding and increasing dwell time.

    ZackH asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Zach H

    The program team is continuing to investigate options regarding the type of buses that would be used for B-Line services.

    Minimising dwell times are an important aspect of improving travel time reliability, and the factors involved, including those you mention, will be considered in more depth as the program progresses.

    ~ Neil

  • I have two: How can it be OK for passengers to stand up on a bus or when seated not to wear a seatbelt? Will bicycles still be allowed in the bus lane where they impede bus progress?

    Michael asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Michael

    Thanks for your questions. Recognising that buses do not have seat belts, the speeds that they are allowed to travel is restricted.

    Bicycles and motorcycles will continue to be able to use ‘Bus lanes’ along the B-Line route. ‘Bus only’ lanes will only be able to be used by buses.

    ~ Neil

  • I have noted that all the upgrades for bus stops are outside the CBD. However, there is already an urgent need to dramatically improve the bus stop facilities at Wynyard for the departing Northern Beaches buses. It needs weather protection, passenger waiting line management and above all more space. Even now, a small traffic hold-up for whatever reason, will see a couple of hundred passengers waiting at Wynyard under 3rd world conditions. This is happening NOW, the B-Line will see this multiplied by 4. Please attend to this problem urgently.

    Molap asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Molap

    At this stage, works in the CBD are outside of the scope of the Northern Beaches B-Line Program. However the project team is working with other groups within Transport for NSW to understand what the requirements will be for pick up and drop off in the Sydney CBD for the new B-Line service in late 2017 and whether any scope items will need to be included as part of this program, or other Transport for NSW programs in the Sydney CBD. 

    ~ Alison

  • What provisions will be made for parking at Warriewood during construction of the multistory car park? Keeping in mind that the Friday Markets at Rat park put an extra load on available parking at that location.

    Molap asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Molap

    Subject to planning approval, a construction contractor is expected to be engaged later in 2016. Options for staging the construction to provide for parking during construction would then be developed. Further information about this would be provided to the community once determined. 

    ~ Alison

  • Part of the congestion problems, in particular at weekends, are people parking in the bus lanes during so called "off-peak" times. If you have ever travelled along the A8 of a weekend it's certainly not "off-peak" traffic, this is a major route that is used 7 days a week. Of a weekend and "off-peak" it's looks more like the wacky racers with buses having to constantly pull out and travel in lane two to avoid being blocked behind the cars parked in the bus lane. This has a negative impact on all traffic because buses take up more space at the lights and junctions, as the drivers prefer to stay in lane two rather than joining the bus lane as know they will have to pull out again another 50 meters down the road to avoid more cars parked in the bus lane. I'm lucky to have travelled to and lived in numerous major cities across the globe and Sydney is the first city that I've been to that allows cars to be parked in the bus lane on a major route into the city. If the B-Line is to work you need to ensure that the bus lane is a 24 hour no parking zone. This ensures that all buses using the lane are not going to be held up by parked cars and will reduce the congestion in other lanes as they will not need to move into lane two taking up space that would be occupied by other road users. Will you be making the bus lanes 24 hour no parking and exclusive to buses and taxis?

    ComfortInSound asked over 1 year ago

    Hi ComfortinSound

    The need to change on-street parking restrictions, including bus lanes, to improve bus journey times and reliability is currently being investigated. An assessment of the benefits to bus journey times versus the impacts on residents and businesses of loss of parking is an important consideration in determining what changes would be made to parking availability, if any. If there is a need to make changes to parking availability on the corridor, a proposal will be developed and presented for community consultation and discussion.

    ~ Alison

  • Another problem currently on the route is the sheer number of traffic lights, junctions and pedestrian crossings. Have you considered building more over road pedestrian crossing bridges? This will allow pedestrians to cross at major intersections without the need to stop traffic as often.

    ComfortInSound asked over 1 year ago

    Hi ComfortinSound

    The Northern Beaches B-Line Program includes a program of infrastructure improvements to help alleviate the causes of congestion and delays to improve bus journey reliability along this corridor. The program of works is still being developed, and pedestrian overbridges may be considered where practicable and feasible. Further information regarding the scope of works for infrastructure improvements will be provided to the community as it becomes available. 

    ~ Alison

  • I have been commuting to the city from Newport since 1993. I have seen and experienced many of the changes to this service over the years, some good and others not so. When I first began using the E service the first set down for the return journey during peak hour was Mona Vale. The commute (door to door) was usually about 50 minutes , with the extra stops which have been added over the years travel time is now around 60 - 70 minutes. My concerns with the new service are - travel times with the extra stops - congestion around the Spit and a convenient continuing service north of Mona Vale. My questions to you at the moment are - Will the E buses still operate to the city? Why do the B buses operating north of Warriewood have to stop at Brookvale, Manly vale, Spit and Neutral bay? (Quite often ie. most days the current E services are full from Collaroy). Will B buses start from any of the above mentioned stops and if not why not? Have you considered two start points for the service, eg. B line from Mona Vale pick up until Collaroy then no stops until the CBD and B line from Dee Why pick up until Neutral Bay then CBD. Thank you for your time and I'll look forward to your reply.

    micheleC asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Michele

    Thanks for your question, which raises good points. To support the introduction of the new B-Line service, a new bus service plan is being developed for the whole northern beaches region which aims to ensure the network operates effectively for customers across the region. When the service plan is completed, we will be able to provide further information to the community that will address your questions about stopping patterns and other services. 

    The Northern Beaches B-Line Program includes a program of infrastructure improvements to alleviate the causes of congestion and delays to improve bus journey reliability along this corridor. 

    ~ Alison

  • Can you please tell me how buses will alleviate the absolute mess on Warringah Road in the mornings from Dee Why to Chatswood the journey takes an hour each morning leaving at 6.45am ?

    melaney asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Melaney

    To support the introduction of the new B-Line service in late 2017, a new bus service plan for the whole northern beaches region is being developed, which aims to which aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, including services from Dee Why to Chatswood. Customers will be provided with information about the new service plan when it is completed. 

    ~ Alison

  • Hi, I currently travel to Town Hall on the E88 from Avalon every day. I now have to change at Wynyard, will I now have to change at Mona Vale as well?

    Avalon Peter asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Avalon Peter

    To support the introduction of the new B-Line service in late 2017, a new bus service plan for the whole northern beaches region is currently being developed. This will include services from north of Mona Vale providing connectivity to the CBD and other areas of the northern beaches. When it is completed, the new service plan will be communicated to the community so you will be aware of what changes are proposed to the bus network. 

    ~ Alison

  • I would like to know if there will be buses that travel along Griffin Road in Dee Why to CBD and Chatswood currently only Monday to Friday and only peak - what about the rest of the day and weekends.

    melaney asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Melaney

    To support the introduction of the new B-Line service in late 2017, a new bus service plan for the whole northern beaches region is currently being developed. Once completed, the community will be provided with further information about the service plan, which will include the area you have described. 

    ~Alison

  • A major congestion issue on the routr is that fact that currently at all bus stops the bus has to stop in the bus lane which causes any bus behind to not be able to pass. When this occurs busses behind have to pull into lane two to avoid being delayed which then causes further congestion problems for all other traffic. This will be a major issue with local busses and B-Line busses fighting for space and overtaking along the route. This is a major problem I've experienced in Sydney that I have not seen in other major cities across the globe on major routes into the city. At every stop busses should have a dedictaed vus turnout so they can pull into the stop and it does not cause the bus to block the bus lane . This will allow other busses behind, that do not stop at that stop to freeely pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_turnout Will the upgrade to the route include dedicated us turnouts at bus stops to avoid the lane being blocked and holding up all other traffic behind them.

    ComfortInSound asked over 1 year ago

    Hi ComfortInSound

    We’ve been investigating several measures to minimise the congestion that you mention, including the installation of indented bus bays at locations where delays occur.

    Other measures being considered include changes to lane configurations and access, tidal flow arrangements and changes to turning bays.

    More information about measures in specific areas will be made available in the coming months.

    ~ Neil


  • How will I travel from Avalon Beach to the city ? Peter

    Peter asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Peter

    There will continue to be bus services from areas north of Mona Vale to provide connectivity with the B-Line, the Sydney CBD and other areas on the Northern Beaches once the B-Line starts operating in late 2017.

    More details about these services will be provided in coming months with the release of the new bus service plan for the Northern Beaches, which aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region.

    ~ Neil

  • There are several responses in here that mention Spit Junction through to Neutral Bay being a congestion point. Does anyone working on this project commute on this corridor? In the morning, Spit Junction to Neutral Bay is actually the best flowing part of the journey past the Spit. The actual corner at Spit Junction is the choke point. In the afternoon it is Neutral Bay TO Spit Junction that is the worst, again the choke point being Spit Junction itself. Is there a specific plan to remediate the chokepoint? Most other efforts will be wasted otherwise...

    SeaforthDave asked over 1 year ago

    Hi SeaforthDave

    We recognise Spit Junction is a significant source of the congestion we mentioned between Spit Junction and Neutral Bay. Several measures are being considered to improve reliability and travel times in this area, including new indented bus bays. The implementation of tidal flows, which would increase the number of available lanes during peak times and maximise traffic flow, is one road treatment option being investigated. Lane widening, traffic light phasing and priority movements are other possible measures. 

    ~ Neil

  • Will the new B-Line lanes be accessible to Motorcycles? Also will there be physical (i.e. a kerb) segregation between the B-Line lane and the standard carriageway?

    jimb asked over 1 year ago

    Hi jimb

    Bicycles and motorcycles will continue to be able to use ‘Bus lanes’ along the B-Line route. ‘Bus only’ lanes can only be used by buses. Bus lanes and Bus only lanes will be marked to distinguish them from other lanes, and not physically separated.

    ~ Neil

  • The toy shop site is known by the community to be very congested and is located far from the commercial centre of Manly Vale and the existing Manly Vale bus stop. The options we were told were being considered included the Gilmour's shoe shop site - what progress has been made to explore this option? Another option which has been raised is the Manly Vale Community centre - could the community benefit from a new community centre and hall with parking located above (it is surrounded on 3 sides by road and backs onto the community garden)?

    kizza asked over 1 year ago

    Hi kizza

    The Gilmour’s Shoes site was one of three options formally assessed against criteria including operational efficiency, accessibility, constructability, environmental impact, community and stakeholder benefit, and visual impact.

    This option was not preferred due to impact on adjacent residential properties, and traffic impacts on Innes Road and community facilities adjacent to the site.

    Following questions and comments from the community and local business owners, we have committed to formally review the Manly Vale Community Centre site against our criteria. More information will be provided once the review is complete.

    ~ Neil


  • Re: Manly Vale BRT. Already on this forum, and previously provided at community forums, there have been several negative, well founded reasons for why the carpark and main bus stop SHOULD NOT BE at the proposed location (Cnr Kenneth Rd - Caseys Toy site). Summarised reasons are: a. This intersection is already exceptionally busy and congested with traffic from Roseberry St flowing into Kenneth Rd and from traffic from bulky good retailers in the area. Traffic analysis will show these congestion problems b. This location is on the outer edge of Manly Vale making it less accessible to the majority of Manly Vale by foot. This will increase car use by Manly Vale residents to access the commuter park, placing an additional and unnecessary strain on the capacity of the carpark c. Too far from the local Manly Vale shops that provide essential services, making it less convenient for commuters as it limits ready access to these services To date, none of these reasons appear to be of sufficient merit to change the plans. My question - Is there any reasoning or issue that would prompt a change in thinking? It appears that the community is asked for opinions but then ignored

    LRose asked over 1 year ago

    Hi LRose

    We’ve received a lot of feedback from local residents about the preferred Manly Vale commuter car park option at Condamine Street and Kenneth Road, both for and against the proposed location.
     
    Feedback received is one of several criteria that will help determine the preferred B-Line stop and multi-deck car park option that is taken forward.

    Following questions and comments from community members at our information session and other consultation activities, we have committed to again review the car park options, and will provide further information about the options in coming weeks once that review has been completed.  

    ~ Neil

  • Will cyclists still be able to use Bus Lanes in redesigned sections? It would be great if any new road designs could include cycle provision as a way of promoting cycling as another alternative to help reduce congestion, in keeping with the overall aims of b-line project. Asking cyclists to share main carriageway lanes with cars could lead to increased conflict and risk to cyclists.

    Jonno asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Jonno

    Cyclists will continue to be able to use designated bus lanes once the B-Line is operational. Cyclists will not be able to use ‘bus only’ lanes. More information about traffic designations is available on page 7 of the Sydney Clearways Strategy.

    We are currently reviewing the categorisation of kerbside lanes along the B-Line corridor. Note that there are specific areas along the corridor that are currently categorised as bus only lanes, including along Spit Road.

    Recognising the high amount of active transport use in the area, local active transport links will also be upgraded as part of the B-Line program, and bicycle facilities will be provided at each B-Line stop.

    ~ Neil

  • Where will the B-Line terminate in the CBD. Transferring to other modes of transport always takes 10 - 15 mins, it would be great if the bus went as far south as Central to avoid adding time to an already long journey.

    rlindup asked over 1 year ago

    Hi rlindup

    A bus service plan for the whole Northern Beaches region is currently being developed, which will include bus services from areas north of Mona Vale that provide connectivity to the Sydney CBD and other areas within the Northern Beaches. The bus service plan will include details about where buses set down and depart within the Sydney CBD.

    The new bus service plan aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, and is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016. The plan will then be outlined in communication materials distributed to the community to ensure customers have a full understanding of proposed services. 

    ~ Neil

  • The NSW government has announced that a future new tunnel is planned from the Warringah Freeway, by-passing Military Road, Spit Road, passing under Middle Harbour to avoid Spit Bridge, emerging on the northern side of the Sydney Road intersection at Seaforth. The tunnel will reduce peak travel times on this sector by about 18 minutes. 1. What height are the B-Line double decker buses? 2. Will they be able to fit in a standard height road tunnel - my observation is that there's not much clearance above a single deck bus? If not, the bore of the proposed tunnel will have to be enlarged to cater for double-deckers, but that would significantly increase the capital cost and could make the tunnel financially unviable. 3. Will the B-Line double deckers instead avoid the tunnel and continue to use the existing route? 4. Will the B-Line revert back to single deck buses to take advantage of the 18 minute journey time reduction without compromising the viability of the tunnel? I propose that all the B-Line physical modifications proposed are progressed as Phase 1 of the B-Line project, but initially using the existing bus fleet. I propose a study team is established with Infrastructure NSW to establish a combined cost/benefit analysis of using double deck buses compared with single deck buses, and the impact of each on the cost of the new tunnel. Your 'Quick Poll' questions do not pose the question - 'Would you prefer to reduce your journey time by 18 minutes' - but I'm sure 90% of commuters would rank that as number 1. So please don't push for double deckers if that detrimentally affects the financial case for the tunnel!!

    tbuckler asked over 1 year ago

    Hi tbuckler

    Current designs indicate that B-Line buses would be 4.3 metres high, within the current NSW minimum tunnel clearance of 4.4 metres. B-Line buses would therefore be able to use any tunnels constructed within the current standard.

    A range of different options are currently being investigated to determine a scope of works to improve bus journeys and reduce delays at congestion points, particularly Dee Why, Brookvale and Spit Junction through to Neutral Bay.

    ~ Neil

  • My question relates to the proposed car park at Manly Vale at either Casey's toys or KFC. Since the opening of large stores such as Bunnings and Woolworths, traffic congestion is terrible. On some days it can take over 10 mins to drive back from Bunnings to our place which is only half way up Kenneth Rd. It is particularly bad at the proposed intersection of Condamine and Kenneth Rd and the round about at Kenneth Rd and Roseberry st. I'm sure many residents would expect this congestion to be much worse with yet another development such as a car park that would create a bottle neck with cars frequently moving in and out of the car park. This congestion already causes an increase in road rage, collisions and pedestrian safety risks that we wouldn't like to see get any worse. Purely from traffic perspective, surely it would be less impact up the road at Gilmores shoes?

    Djohnson asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Djohnson

    The location and size of each car park was investigated in an overall parking strategy, which was prepared for the B-Line corridor, and used travel to work data from the most recent census, and forecasts for growth in the workforce adjacent the corridor to assess optimum parking requirements. 

    The Kenneth Road option would also provide more direct access for commuters travelling on Condamine Street. 

    Transport for NSW and Roads and Maritime Services are currently investigating ways to improve current traffic conditions around the preferred location, including possible changes to traffic light sequencing, modifications to parking conditions and alterations to lane configurations on Kenneth Road. 

    More information about traffic management in and around the preferred option will be available when the environmental impact assessment is released in early 2016 for public comment.

    ~ Neil

  • I would be interested to understand any studies that suggest areas with car parks have a higher % rate of crime compared with areas without car parks. Both in the carp park itself and neighbouring streets. Thanks

    Djohnson asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Djohnson

    The Northern Beaches BRT program will deliver six new commuter car parks at Mona Vale, Warriewood, Narrabeen, Dee Why, Brookvale and Manly Vale providing around 900 spaces, as well as bicycle parking, to encourage customers to park and ride.

    Crime prevention principles will be incorporated into the design of the new commuter car parks, which may include measures such as the use of CCTV and increased natural observation opportunities. 

    ~ Neil

  • With the new B-Line service, will there be 24 h buss lanes on Pittwater Rd, OR will the current clearway times (6-10 am southbound) and 3-7 pm (northbound) be retained or modified?

    harbord1967 asked over 1 year ago

    Hi harbord1967

    The need to change on-street parking restrictions and traffic conditions to improve bus journey times and reliability is currently being investigated. If there is a need to make changes to parking availability on the corridor, a proposal will be developed and presented for community consultation and discussion.

    Transport for NSW expects to be able to commence consultation on options for possible changes to current parking arrangements during Quarter 1, 2016. 

    Note that there is no proposal to create 24 hour bus lanes in front of businesses located on Condamine Street, Manly Vale, as part of the Northern Beaches BRT program. 

    The project team is still considering whether the B-Line service would benefit from extending the bus lane hours of operation in the northbound direction from 7pm to 8pm. 

    ~ Neil

  • Why do we need double-decker buses when the existing buses would be better suited, would not require the driver to wait for passengers to climb the stairs and get seated and would not require all the trees along the roadside to be mutilated?

    Stuck in Cromer asked over 1 year ago

    Double decker buses provide greater capacity, particularly seating capacity, than articulated buses but occupy less road space.

    They have a reduced footprint compared to an articulated bus, which will help reduce traffic impact and congestion at stops.

  • Will the commuter parking be free like it is at railway stations or will Northern Beaches commuters just be lumped with yet another cost impost?

    Stuck in Cromer asked over 1 year ago

    The current Transport for NSW policy provides free, untimed parking for commuters.

  • Why did the State government sell the land where EbsRay Pumps is located. Wouldn't this land be an ideal location for a bus terminal and commuter carpark in Brookvale especially since the taxpayers already own it?

    Stuck in Cromer asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Stuck in Cromer

    Transport for NSW is working with NSW Health to provide a B-Line stop and commuter car parking within the NSW Health-owned Brookvale Community Health Centre to be constructed on Pittwater Road.

    ~ Neil

  • How will someone travel between the new Brookvale Community Health Centre and the new Hospital in French Forest? It seems that the transport corridor between Brookvale and Chatswood (which would in theory serve the Hospital) is severely lacking. Wouldn't it make sense to extend any next generation transport sevice to the new hospital (and run an express service between Brookvale and Chatswood at the same time)?

    scott asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Scott

    A new bus service plan for the whole of the Northern Beaches is currently being developed. The plan aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, and is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016. The bus service plan will include services to the new hospital and Chatswood. The bus service plan will be outlined in communication materials distributed to the community to ensure customers have a full understanding of what changes are proposed for the bus network.

    ~ Neil

  • I am very concerned about provision for the suburbs north of Mona Vale which do not get a mention at all. These suburbs rely on the L90 and the Express buses as they are the only public transport provision. It is stated that there will be no additional buses entering the CBD once the B line is running. This statement sounds the death knell for the express buses and possibly the regular 20 minute off peak service currently provided by the L90. The B line may well be excellent for residents south of Mona Vale but its substitution for the L90 would make things significantly worse for those to the north. There is mention of services to link with the B line but presumably that would mean changing buses at Mona Vale, which will just add to the journey length. A suggestion-alternate B buses to start/finish at palm Beach with limited stops-Palm beach, Avalon, Newport beach and Newport wharf. That would still give Mona Vale and south a 10 minute service but provide those to the north with a 20 minute service.

    Felicity asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Felicity

    The B-Line service is proposed to run between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD. There will also continue to be other bus services from areas north of Mona Vale to provide connectivity with the B-Line, the Sydney CBD and other areas on the Northern Beaches.

    A new bus service plan for the whole of the Northern Beaches is currently being developed. The plan aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, and is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016. The Northern Beaches bus service plan is not expected to result in an increase to the number of buses travelling over the Harbour Bridge in the morning peak one hour only.

    The bus service plan will be outlined in communication materials distributed to the community to ensure customers have a full understanding of what changes are proposed for the bus network.

    ~ Neil

  • I received your coloured brochure the other day. Why was there no community consultation before this plan was announced? Who was on the planning committee and how did they come up with the published plan? What were the options that were taken into account before publishing the Berry Reserve plan? I feel that the plan to extend the commuter carpark to the western side of Pittwater Road is an extremely retrograde step. It will alienate more of the public reserve - at the very time that public transport services are being enhanced due to increased population. The same population need their open spaces. "Paving paradise" is not the way to achieve that. There is an existing council carpark in Lagoon Street which should be upgraded instead. It is directly behind the main south-bound Narrabeen bus stop - on the same side of Pittwater Road as the main to-city commute (ie where people start their journey). It would obviate the need for commuters to cross Pittwater Road, which causes significant delays to both commuters and peak hour traffic with more frequent traffic light changes. In terms of time taken, it would be faster to reach the main bus stop from Lagoon Street than from Berry Reserve. The actual walking distance is comparable. It could be further enhanced if a corridor between the commercial buildings on the western side of Lagoon Street could be connected between the Lagoon St carpark and the main bus stop. The Lagoon Street Carpark is currently located between 2x 3-storey buildings so could be built to that height with no loss of amenity to the locale. Capacity would be much more than a measly 40 additional spaces. Costs saved in relocating TOILETS (??) and the basketball courts and squashing them against existing features in the Berry Reserve could be spent on providing ... more carparks! It should also be possible to do a level or two underground. Manly council has a lot of these small, efficient multilevel carparks that are absolutely essential to the public usage, amenity and commercial strength of the area. A multi-level carpark in lieu of the current Lagoon St one, which currently provides only about 50 places would significantly enhance the viability of the commercial centre of Narrabeen, in addition to providing better commuter services and preserve the amenity of Berry Reserve. I expect such a proposal would be supported by the Chamber of Commerce and the Council. Is there an opportunity for the proposal to provide additional commuter carpark spaces at Narrabeen to be reconsidered?

    jsheehan1@oceanholdings.com asked over 1 year ago

    Hi jsheehan1

    Thanks for providing your feedback on the preferred option for car parking at Narrabeen.

    Following initial consultation with key stakeholders including local Councils, SHOROC and property owners, our team is continuing to engage with the community, including local residents and retailers, to gather initial feedback on infrastructure, road works and traffic and parking impacts.

    Information about the four options that were considered, including an option at Lagoon Street, is available in the Narrabeen Project Update.

    The preferred option to redesign and extend the existing car park at Berry Reserve was assessed against rigorous criteria including operational efficiency, accessibility, constructability, environmental impact, community and stakeholder benefit, and visual impact.

    There will be opportunities to further review and comment on the concept design and environmental impact assessment in the first quarter of 2016.

    ~ Neil

  • The Sydney Harbour Bridge/York St exit is already at capacity for buses during peak hours. How does adding more buses to this route solve this problem?

    scott asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Scott

    The Northern Beaches bus service plan currently being developed is not expected to result in an increase to the number of buses travelling over the Harbour Bridge in the morning peak one hour.

    ~ Neil

  • Is a dedicated bus lane going to be provided to improve travel time along Spit and Military Roads?

    SueJ asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Sue

    Recognising Spit Junction through to Neutral Bay as a specific congestion point along the B-Line route, road treatments such as additional bus lanes, lane widening, traffic light phasing, tidal flows and priority movements are currently being investigated.

    ~ Neil

  • Mona Vale is currently shown as the start of the route. What is the plan for people living north of Mona Vale to access the B-Line? Are 150 places enough to cater for everyone from Newport to Palm Beach? What are the changes in scope of this project to cater for people reaching the Mona Vale terminus without having to drive?

    dalecohen asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Dale

    The B-Line service is proposed to run between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD. As well as the construction of up to 150 additional car spaces to access the B-Line stop at Mona Vale, there will also continue to be other bus services from areas north of Mona Vale to provide connectivity with the B-Line, the Sydney CBD and other areas on the Northern Beaches.

    A new bus service plan for the whole of the Northern Beaches is currently being developed. The plan aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, and is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016. The bus service plan will be outlined in communication materials distributed to the community to ensure customers have a full understanding of what changes are proposed for the bus network.

    ~ Neil

  • what ways have been considered to meld the B-Line into the transport/social mix of the area. The use of fast buses should require feeder services rather than increased car parks

    narrabeen asked over 1 year ago

    Hi narrabeen

    The Northern Beaches BRT program is about making bus travel an easy, reliable and comfortable way to travel along the north-south corridor between Mona Vale and the Sydney CBD.

    New facilities such as commuter car parks are included in the program so people can park and ride conveniently. A bus service plan for the whole Northern Beaches region is currently being developed, which aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region, and is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016.

    Active transport routes to improve connectivity to B-Lines stops and car parks are also being considered to encourage public transport use, and facilities for parking bicycles would be provided near B-Line stops and/or car parks.

    ~ Neil

  • There is currently an off-peak L90 bus service every 15 minutes from Mona Vale to Wynyard - the B-Line proposal increases the service to every 10 minutes. However, the length of the trip, 62 traffic lights, delays, congestion etc., regularly means that scheduled L90 services are so delayed that one can wait for up to 45 mins for a bus from Mona Vale to the City in the off-peak - and then 3 buses come at once and travel to the city with one bus full with standing passengers and the other 2 buses empty! If there is a scheduled B-Line bus every 10 minutes, how will we be guaranteed they will arrive every 10 minutes at every stop, and not bunch up so that we still wait 45 minutes for a bus and then maybe 4 buses arrive in convoy with 1 full and 3 empty?

    tbuckler asked over 1 year ago

    Hi tbuckler

    We recognise that the frequency and reliability of the B-Line is a key factor in people choosing to use the service.

    Improvements to roads, fleet, parking, timetable and bus loading measures at new stops are included as part of the program to reduce delays at congestion points and improve bus journey reliability along the corridor from Mona Vale to the CBD.

    ~ Neil

  • B-Line buses will use the same route, the same bus lanes, traverse the same 62 traffic lights between Mona Vale and Wynyard, and adhere to the same speed limits as the existing E88 and E89 services. But the B-Line service has 9 stops, whereas the E88 and E89 services have only 5. How much longer will the B-Line journey time be, compared to the current E88/E89 journey times?

    tbuckler asked over 1 year ago

    Hi tbuckler

    Traffic modelling is currently being undertaken to determine the average journey times expected on the new B-Line service.

    One of the aims of the program is to deliver a more reliable average journey time, particularly in the peak, and road treatments such as minor lane widening, traffic light phasing, tidal flows, and priority movements are being investigated to determine a scope of works to improve bus journey reliability and reduce delays at congestion points, particularly Dee Why, Brookvale and Spit Junction through to Neutral Bay.

    ~ Neil

  • The B-Line will service 9 bus stops between Mona Vale and Wynyard. What about all the in-between stops? Will some Local and Limited stops services be retained, or will a shuttle service concept be introduced to transfer customers from in-between stops to the next B-Line stop as a transfer point. Which existing services will be axed, retained, enhanced, or replaced?

    tbuckler asked over 1 year ago

    Hi tbuckler

    A bus service plan for the whole Northern Beaches region, which will include the new B-Line service, is due to be completed in the first quarter of 2016.

    The new bus service plan aims to ensure the regional network operates effectively for customers across the region and the bus service planners are currently looking at how to best integrate B-Line services with the surrounding bus network.

    There will be some changes to the bus network in the new service plan, and these will be communicated to the community during 2016.

    ~ Neil

  • When do you think that commuters north of Mona Vale might be likely to see information that is relevant, current and detailed regarding the proposed cessation of the current express services? The marketing campaign for the BLine continues but the specifics for commuters who use the E87, E88 or E89 appear not to have made any progress. We have been told - information and details are coming but they don't arrive. The E89 services (albeit limited to 3 or 4 in the mornings and afternoons) are heavily used, relied upon and an efficient way to get to the city and back. We were told it was being scrapped, we were told the BLine might extend beyond Mona Vale, we were told information is coming......but when? We pay rates, we pay taxes and we use public transport - why can't we get details?

    SueT asked 5 months ago

    Hi SueT

    The new Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan is continuing to be updated, with an expected release in March. The release will be supported by a range of consultation activities, particularly north of Mona Vale.

    The release of the new plan has been delayed due to ongoing investigations around a possible extension of the B-Line north of Mona Vale. The scope of the plan is dependent on the outcome of these studies.

    ~ Neil

  • The reason I can go about my daily life, my family can go about their lives, my friends, my coworkers, my peers...is because of those two bus stops you want to move. You will destroy everything hundreds of people have set in place and affect their daily lives completely. Why does no one know about the B-Line? Yes, you said it was in two different newsletters, but if no one knows about it, your newsletters clearly weren't effective and therefore you cannot use them to argue your point. Barely anyone knows about your plans to wreak havoc through Mosman, Cremorne and Neutral Bay and all areas connected through the buses at those two stops, and even those that do, do not agree with it. What makes you think it is a good idea? The buses from those stops ARE efficient, ARE on time, and help many young students, workers and elderly people travel across Sydney.

    lilyoph asked 5 months ago

    Hi lilyoph

    The current proposal involves the relocation of the existing stops at Cremorne in both directions around 100 metres west, not a removal as suggested in some reports. 

    A recent update on the Get Involved page of this website provides further details.

    We will continue to provide updates on the proposal as feedback is considered and further modelling conducted.

    ~ Neil

  • Currently, there is terrible traffic on Sydney Road turning right on to Spit Road during peak hour - particularly bad on Tuesdays. This morning, the 7.37 am E50 bus was scheduled to arrive at North Sydney at 8.08 am but didn't arrive until about 8.45 am. There was no accident - this is usual. With the closure of Heaton Ave, the study shows more cars will be forced onto Sydney Road. What steps are planned to improve (and it needs to be significantly improved) Sydney Road traffic? Particularly for public transport? regards Frank

    fbannon asked 5 months ago

    Hi Frank

    Thanks for your question.

    The proposed closure of Heaton Avenue is no longer being considered. TfNSW and RMS are continuing to review feedback, modelling and data and consult with local stakeholders and community groups to ensure the best decision is made.

    Proposed road improvement works between Seaforth and Neutral Bay aim to improve the reliability of travel times. While this is prioritised for B-Line and city services, the benefits will flow-on to services using Spit/Military Road to access other areas.

    ~ Neil 


  • I would like to know how adding an extra bus onto military rd every 5 minutes will ease congestion not add to it and if you have plans for preventing the increase of motorists using rat runs in the Cremorne/ Neutral Bay Area. Seems like there is no upside for residents of the lower north shore.

    John asked 5 months ago

    Hi John

    The implementation of the B-Line will not increase the number of services travelling along the corridor or across the Harbour Bridge. It will streamline services travelling between the Northern Beaches and Sydney CBD.

    Further information will be provided when the new Northern Beaches Bus Services Plan is released in the next month.

    ~ Neil

  • The first question is to ask "Why is it that few poeple have any idea of the chaos that will be created by the B-Line bus for a large percentage of people in the Mosman, Cremorne and Neutral Bay area."? No one I have talked to in Spencer Road, Spofforth St, has seen the original pamphlet and nobody I have yet talked to was advised about the public meetings that have been held since December. It is only through the publicity on the counters of the local Cremorne pharmacy that we became aware of the substantial changes and destruction of local life by this bus. As this B-Line plan will have more effect on the lives of the lower North Shore than any where else the phaphlet should have been distribuuted by letter box in early December. The planned changes to traffic lanes, bus stops and street closures will create havoc and large traffiic build ups in Spofforth Street, and other roads form Mosman to Neutral Bay. Spofforth Street is already at stop for a few hours each day in the morning and afternoon. The plan to move the bus stops at Cremorne Junction in both directiions will inconvenience hundreds of people and create substantial difficulties for many, especially elderly, who rely on the buses from this area to get to the city, N.Sydney, the North Shore Hospital, Spit Junction, Manly etc. In addition many people need the bus stops at Cremorne to get to the Cremorne Centre, the cinema and the restaurants.What about the thousands of people who go to the Cremone Orpheum by bus, as there is not sufficient parking, and it is irrisponsible to use the restaurants accompanied by wine and drive. This proposal will destroy Cremorne and make it deserted.shopping and entrtainment area. Undoubltedly any plans for roadside parking will also prevent people coming to Cremorne This is another of those plans to delay even further the buidling of the tunnel under the Spit bridge for another 20 years and in the meantime destroy the ammenties of the Lower N. Shore. This will put the nail in the coffin of this area being a blue ribbon seat for the Liberals, added to the amalgamation issue.If this propossal goes ahead I and several of my neoghbours will not be voting Liberal at the next election. Restriction of the full information about the B-Line, (Which is still not available) was to hide the real facts about it. Obviuosly the Goverment has no intention of taking any notice of the problems and protests , as they have already committed to the buses and many other parts os contruction.

    hqpl asked 5 months ago

    Hi hqpl

    Your comments are noted. An initial newsletter was distributed throughout the area in December, and again in January.

    The proposed relocated bus stops would be moved between 100-150 metres to minimise any inconvenience to existing customers.

    The road changes at Cremorne form part of a series of road improvement works across the corridor that will improve flow for general traffic and buses.

    ~ Neil

  • Will the bus stop outside Cremorne Town Centre on Military Road be closed?

    Carolyn asked 5 months ago

    Hi Carolyn

    Thanks for your question. Under the current proposal, the city bound bus stop at Cremorne will be relocated around 100 metres west of its current location, while the bus stop heading towards the Spit Bridge will be moved around 130 metres west of the present location. 

    ~ Neil

  • Will the B-Line offer regular return services back from the city? And if not, will existing services (e.g L98, L90, 178, etc) continue running?

    alexm4 asked 6 months ago

    Hi alexm4

    The B-Line will operate in both directions to and from the Sydney CBD. Services outside the B-Line are being investigated as part of a new service plan, which will be released in the next few months.

    ~ Neil

  • Hello, My question is in regard to the use of pushbikes on Military and Spit roads. Every day, hundreds of buses and therefore, thousands of people are held up by pushbikes travelling in the far left lane. I find it mesmerising that a bus with over 100 people can be slowed to the speed of a pushbike, sometimes for kilometres. I am aware of (and use) the dedicated pushbike path that runs parallel with Military and Spit roads however, rarely see others using it. My question is, will pushbikes be banned from using Military and Spit roads and required to use the dedicated path? Thanks you for your time. Ben

    ben1 asked 6 months ago

    Hi Ben

    There are no current plans to change the current road prioritisations in the areas you mention. However, the RMS Easing Sydney's Congestion Program is looking at measures across the region where there current congestion points can be reduced.

    ~ Neil

  • I am pleased to see there are more options being considered rather than just the closure of Heaton Avenue. Can I ask four questions: 1. are the other options being evaluated with an open mind ie is it a level playing field for all options? 2. what criteria and priority or weighting of various metrics will be used to make the final decision ie cost vs delays vs speed of B-line buses 3. will the premises used for the modelling be fully revealed at the community forums ie how you have assessed where the local traffic will go if Heaton Avenue is closed and how much extra congestion (and therefore delays) will be experienced elsewhere in the system 4. is there an assessment of how many cars the B-line will take off the roads as presumably this is the over-arching objective ie how many current car drivers have said they will shift their commute from private cars to the buses. I am concerned that predicting human behaviour is not an exact science and so anticipated time savings if Heaton is closed may in reality simply shift the issue to elsewhere on the route so not actually improve anything for the people commuting from further up the Northern Beaches.

    Jem asked 7 months ago

    Hi Jem

    The option to fully close Heaton Avenue at Manly Road is no longer being considered. Modelling undertaken so far is provided within the REF. Other options are being considered across a rigorous criteria.

    Further modelling would be detailed in relevant determinations.

    The aim of the B-Line is to provide an improved bus service and cater for the region's growing populations. A significant 'mode shift' is part of the project's objectives and a significant measure of value-for-money.

    ~ Neil 


  • Hi Neil, Thanks for your reply, however I do not regard the on-board congestion will be alleviated by NSW Transport only "investigating" empty buses starting from DY. This will be required to provide adequate seating due to the already overloaded buses and to accommodate thousands of new people who will be living in the new units being built at DY. As the buses coming from the north will therefore already be full, empty buses will also be required to start at each of the southern B-line "nodes": Warringah Mall and Condamine St cnr Kenneth Rd - both of which currently have long queues and people always have to stand up in commuter times. This current congestion problem will be exasperated further if all of the local buses are going to feed into the B-line nodes and not continue to the City. When all the people on these local feeder buses have to get off and they will have to queue again at the B-line nodes to catch a second bus into the CBD, taking more time and most likely without a seat. Please can you tell me how having  extra frequency of buses will compensate for all these factors and actually improve the commute quality, timing and service to the City? I look forward to receiving your clarification how all of these issues listed above will be fully addressed by NSW Transport before the B-line is finalised. Best regards,  Katherine

    knavin asked 7 months ago

    Hi Katherine

    Your points are well-made. B-Line buses will increase customer capacity and service frequency compared with existing services, providing greater comfort for passengers.

    The new Northern Beaches Bus Service Plan will soon be released and provide more information on services outside of the B-Line corridor.

    Travel time and reliability are expected to improve as a result of road improvement works taking place across the B-Line corridor, with major benefits expected at current pinchpoints at Spit Junction and Neutral Bay.

    ~ Neil