Hi, so far the B-Line introduction has been an unmitigated disaster. I was actually very excited about the new buses and stations, but the actual experience has been so very disappointing.
I get on at Spit Junction between 7:30-8:00am every workday going to Wynyard. Previously, I could rock up at any time without worrying about the timetable and a bus would be there within 30 seconds to 4 mins max. The buses usually had enough room to fit at least 10-15 people and I could often get a seat.
This week, a huge line has been forming at Spit Junction due to the service being eviscerated. We were promised more buses more frequently, however this is clearly not the case. When the buses do come along, they are often full anyway. I had to wait for 4 buses today. Meanwhile about 7 Milson's pt. buses go through with plenty of room. Have Wynyard services been sacrificed for North Sydney routes?
When the buses do finally show up and are behind other buses, they open their doors and let people on. This means that people at the back of the line can just slip in and others who have been waiting patiently get shafted. What kind of training is there on this for the drivers? It seems pretty much each one does what he or she wants.
Meanwhile you can see plenty of Express buses sailing past with plenty of space on board. Why is Spit Junction not considered a major stop for the Express service? If some of them stopped it might be able to help with the debacle we find ourselves in now.
an observation is that you can't stand in the aisle on double decker buses. So this halves standing room over the bendy buses we had previously. Was this even considered when making your calculations of bus capacity required?
When you do finally get on, you then witness the poor dumbfounded commuters lining up at all the subsequent stops in Cremorne and Neutral Bay. Any problem for us at Spit Junction must be compunded for those further up the line, as the bus will most certainly be full after Spit Junction and we end up sailing past the other major stops.
We really don't want platitudes, we just want a service close to what we had before, which was excellent.
Please tell us you have plans to increase bus volume in the morning peak hour.
Good afternoon Mosman Commuter,
We appreciate your feedback and thank you for your patience
in adjusting to the new timetables and B-Line service.
Between 7.30-8am at Spit Junction, you can catch the B-Line
or E68 to get to Wynyard, with the B-Line buses arriving every 5 minutes.
All B-Line drivers have had training on the B-Line route prior
to the service commencement. Commuters are allowed to embark through the back
doors during peak times to hasten the on-boarding process and ensure that the
B-Line can provide a fast and reliable service. Whilst commuters are not
allowed to stand on the upper deck of the B-Line due to safety reasons, the
B-Line does provide increased capacity with a seated capacity of 85 versus 62
for the bendy buses and between 43-46 for the short buses.
Of the 27 bus routes from the Northern Beaches that currently stop at Cremorne Junction, after the B-Line introduction, 12 of these routes have either been discontinued (140, 171, 179, 183, 184, 187, 190) or will no longer stop at Cremorne (168, 185, 190, E68, E71).
In addition, the B-Line, which for Northern Beaches, Spit Junction & Neutral Bay passengers will replace many of these services, does not stop at Cremorne Junction.
Of the other 15 Northern Beaches routes that will still stop at Cremorne Junction (143, 144, 151, 169, 173, 180, 188, E65, E66, E69, E70, E76, E77, E78, E79), only 1, the E69, has additional services added.
Of the 12 bus routes dedicated to start in the Mosman area (244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249 to the City, 227, 228, 229, 230 to Milsons Point, 257 to Chatswood and M30 to Sydenham), none have had additional services added. The only change is to extend the M30 to operate to and from Taronga Zoo (probably to avoid congestion at the new Spit Junction Bus Interchange).
This effectively means that bus passengers in Cremorne will have less daily services once the new timetables are introduced from 26 November 2017.
Could Transport NSW and the B-Line please let us know of the “almost 7,000 new weekly bus services” touted on their website, how many will be for passengers getting on the bus at Cremorne Junction?
Good afternoon Camellia,
Of the almost 7,000 extra weekly bus services across
Junction will benefit from 600 additional weekly services.
Please can you confirm that you are going to be removing a number of bus stops along Military Road over the next couple of weeks?
In particular I'd like to know about stop number 2088193
Thanks very much
Good morning James,
Thanks for your enquiry.
Yes, stop number 2088193 will be taken out of service on commencement of the
new bus timetables on 26 November 2017. Please note these are part of Mosman Council's work and not the B-Line. Signage will be erected by STA in advance to notify users.
Regarding footpath works at Spit Junction north bound side, end if October not far away yet no work has commenced. Do you have revised schedule?
Thanks for your query.
For Spit Junction north bound side, there are only minor bus stop works remaining and these will be completed by the end of the year.
The closure of Clifford St has caused significant traffic at the intersection between Mandalong Rd and Military Rd, as vehicles can no longer access Military Rd from Clifford St. Given this increase in traffic, and the long wait required to turn onto Military Rd, is it possible that a keep clear/give way zone or another mechanism can be placed on Military Rd to reduce the time it takes to turn?
Thanks for your query.
Access to Military Road via Spit Road is also possible via Punch Street. With regards to a Keep Clear/ Give Way zone, that would need to be put forward to local Council and RMS for their consideration.
Hi. Do you have more detail regarding north bound stop at Spit Junction? I.e. When footpath work will be completed, where exactly will stop be and how local businesses will be affected whilst work in progress
Good day Georgia,
Thanks for your query.
Footpath work for the northbound Spit Junction stop will be completed by end of October. The stop location will be very close to the existing northbound stop around 28 Spit Road.
Local businesses are informed about upcoming work/ night work prior to the activities commencing, via notifications, briefings and doorknocks.
The position of the city bound stop near Cremorne Junction is still controversial. Has it been considered to move it East of the Junction? There is currently an empty block next to the Audi Showroom at about 325 Military Road which could be a suitable site. It is currently an eysesore. If it were to be acquired, there would be plenty of room to construct an indented bus bay. There would also be enough room for 50 car parking spaces. As the block is empty, no demolition would be required, nor any damage to existing gardens.
Thanks for your feedback and suggestion. Unfortunately there is insufficient space at the proposed site to provide the required bus bay length, without significant property acquisition of the neighbouring properties. Moving the bus stop east to this location would also make it too far to service the Cremorne community as the distance from this new location and the next citybound bus stop would be too great.
Are there plans/renders available for viewing for the bus bay/interchange at Spit Junction?
Thanks for your question. We are hoping to have an artist's impressions of the new interchange in the coming weeks and this will be made available on the website
What is the proposed increase in passenger capacity city-bound, for buses due to pass through Spit Junction between 7:30 to 8:30am?
Thanks for your query.
Between 7:30-8:30am, the B-Line services will pass through Spit Junction every 5 minutes with a seated capacity of 85. Currently, the buses that pass through are a
mix of rigid (short) buses and articulated (long bendy) buses with a seated capacity of 43-46 and 62
My understanding is that the B-Line initiative is only going to impact Northern Beaches to City services (and vice versa).
Can you please confirm that existing city bound services, that originate from Mosman, Cremorne and Neutral Bay (and their associated stops) will NOT be impacted by the B-Line service.
The service plan changes can be viewed here:
B-Line is not intended
to impact other existing bus services operating out of Mosman, Cremorne and
Neutral Bay. However, there may be some changes to the physical location of bus
stops to facilitate some of the road works for the B-Line along Military Rd. Any changes to location of bus stops
would be done in consultation with STA to ensure that users are able to access the existing services from the next available bus stop along Military Rd.
Why has the safety audit of Bline not been released to the public?
for the road improvements is currently being reviewed to address the feedback
we’ve received from the REF and any findings of the audit.
We’ll notify the community of any changes, including safety measures that will be put in place, at the conclusion of this
What proportion of Bline buses will make use of the new northern beaches tunnel?
Decisions on whether the B-Line service will use the tunnel will be made as part of future
the B-Line service is planned to operate on the surface between Newport and
Neutral Bay and then into Wynyard via the Harbour Bridge.
Why has Bline sought to cut down trees in St .Leonards Park ? Does this mean Bline will go to North Sydney ?
Thanks for your question.
We will not be cutting down trees in St Leonards Park and B-Line is not intended to go to North Sydney.
Will Bline remove roadworks/tidal flows/turn bans /etc from military and spit roads once the northern beaches tunnel is open ?Will it then cooperate with local councils to redesign these sections of road ?
The B-Line project isn't associated with the Northern Beaches Tunnel.
For questions relating to the the tunnels completion and associated works, I'd recommend visiting Roads and Maritime Services website, browsing their projects and locating the relevant submission field.
Are the plans for the proposed Transport Interchange available for public viewing? Will it be located on the site of the former cinema at the corner of Spit Road and Clifford Street?
Thanks for your question.
Transport for NSW is currently progressing our plans for Spit Junction, which includes a bus interchange at the cinema site.
Further information will be available in coming weeks. Design details will be made available during initial community consultation about the concept later this year.